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| glacial906 |
Posted - 02/26/2005 : 01:33:06
I don't know if this topic has ever been done here before, but for the life of me, I can't remember it. (And I'm no stranger to the forum.)
There are still some people that believe that the moon landing was a hoax by the U.S. Government in order to give the appearance that they "beat" the communists in Russia (who were, as I'm sure most of you know, our main contenders in outer space exploration at the time) to the moon. The Soviets had given us a run for our money with the Sputnik, and the U.S. was not to be shamed by a defeat in the race to the moon, even if it meant faking the whole thing.
Most of the "evidence" to suggest that the moon landing was a fake has been debunked. The most popular reasons for doubting the moon landing seem to be:
-- Why does the flag wave on the moon when there is no air?
-- Why is there a departing shot of the lander when no one would be left to shoot it?
-- Why do the hills in the background of many of the photos keep reappearing in other photos, but with different foregrounds?
And there are many others, having to do with questions as to the high quality of the moon photos vs. the poor quality of the moon video; of shadows that should be appearing under someone not; and so on....
Each of these questions as to the moon landing's legitamacy has been answered, and yet the theory still persists. I tend to believe that the moon landing was real; I think I really would have to move to another country if I ever recieved evidence that it was not, from sheer disillusionment. What does everyone else think? Anyone on the forum give any credence to this theory?
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/
The Drummer from Def Leppard's Only Got One Arm. |
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| VoVat |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 21:19:56
quote:
Apollo 18 was cancelled by Nixon.
So THAT'S why Flansburgh hates him so much!
And yeah, I've listened to it on random. Good stuff.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| tobafett |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 16:51:50
Apollo 18 was cancelled by Nixon. The Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, a joint space mission between the US and Soviet Union used parts of the hardware (rockets/spacecraft) designated earlier for 18. Skylab also used old Apollo hardware.
ok...enough history lesson.
and have you ever put Apollo 18 on "random" play? that's some fun listenin'! [see Tobafett's 1st mix cd for one of those odd tracks]
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| VoVat |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 14:20:29
quote:
There have been five other manned landings on the moon, and one aborted (Apollo 13, which was made famous by the Tom Hanks movie from a few years back...) Among many, many unmanned missions, the dates for manned missions were as follows:
July 16, 1969 (Apollo 11) -- The famous moon landing with Neil Armstrong and Ed Aldrin.
And subsequently:
November 14, 1969 (Apollo 12)
January 31, 1971 (Apollo 14)
July 26, 1971 (Apollo 15)
April 16, 1972 (Apollo 16)
December 7, 1972 (Apollo 17)
But what about Apollo 18?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| darwin |
Posted - 03/03/2005 : 23:40:27
This seems to be a very well written point by point refutiation of hoax claims.
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
Here's a good passage (in bold is hoax claim followed by the response):
The only sure way to prove the moon landings really happened is to return to the Moon and see if the Apollo hardware is there.
Direct visual verification would certainly put an end to the issue, however there are at least three pieces of hardware on the Moon that are not in dispute. Apollos 11, 14 and 15 erected laser reflectors on the lunar surface. Laser beams are routinely fired at these reflectors through telescopes at McDonald Observatory in Texas and near Grasse in southern France. Timings of these reflected beams are used to measure the Earth-Moon distance to an accuracy of one inch. To explain the existence of these reflectors the hoax advocates have no choice but to claim they were placed on the Moon by robotic landers; a huge undertaking for which there is no supporting evidence. The simple answer: the Apollo astronauts placed them there. (More on robotic missions later.)
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| glacial906 |
Posted - 03/03/2005 : 23:34:34
Does Neil speak Satanic verses and tell teenagers to rape women and kill themselves?
My next topic is going to be:
"Heliocentric, Spherical Earth -- Hoax or Fact?"
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
The Drummer from Def Leppard's Only Got One Arm. |
| Skatealex1 |
Posted - 03/03/2005 : 23:22:53
Oh btw i dont think this means anything but i once went to a website were it plays neil armstrongs speech backwards and it says "man never space walk" and also theres no response time when they talk and there would for sure be a delay if he was in space!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Truth Is Out There |
| glacial906 |
Posted - 03/03/2005 : 23:14:26
There have been five other manned landings on the moon, and one aborted (Apollo 13, which was made famous by the Tom Hanks movie from a few years back...) Among many, many unmanned missions, the dates for manned missions were as follows:
July 16, 1969 (Apollo 11) -- The famous moon landing with Neil Armstrong and Ed Aldrin.
And subsequently:
November 14, 1969 (Apollo 12)
January 31, 1971 (Apollo 14)
July 26, 1971 (Apollo 15)
April 16, 1972 (Apollo 16)
December 7, 1972 (Apollo 17)
This is from NASA's website, so if it a hoax its amazingly extravagant.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/lunartimeline.html
The Drummer from Def Leppard's Only Got One Arm. |
| darwin |
Posted - 03/03/2005 : 23:07:34
Because it costs lots money, it's dangerous, and there isn't much to be gained from going back.
I'm surprised that anyone could believe it's a hoax, so I guess we're even. |
| Skatealex1 |
Posted - 03/03/2005 : 22:56:58
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I hate to say this but im suprised with the lack of ppl that believe the landing was a hoax. I dont really have much to add but after what the government did with roswell i seriously dont trust them which is why im skeptical about moon landing. Also why havent they gone back up???????????????
The Truth Is Out There |
| martha_promise |
Posted - 03/02/2005 : 22:00:02
This is one of the better threads recently, fellas, and fellerina's....
I love the sasquatch on the moon, and as usual jediroller is right,.. that is a good read.
Elephant, I hope your kids bust the teachers balls like you did. Darwin is as bright as ever, (although quite hacked-off about something or another)...and of course Jen types as gorgeously as always.
I think that the moon landing as well as the "race for space" with the u.s.s.r, produced a massive exceleration in a plethora of different science fields. The internet is birthed out of that knowledge (directly or otherwise) which leads to the beauty of cashing in on it's promise to make the world smaller. Hence, speaking to kind folks like yourselves....I'm sorry, I'm tired,...& tired.
~~Come inside, or...Go Away.~~ |
| tobafett |
Posted - 03/02/2005 : 20:30:00
would that make it Victrolian porn? |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/02/2005 : 19:22:55
Perhaps that exists?
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| VoVat |
Posted - 03/02/2005 : 19:18:39
quote:
quote:
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Originally posted by kathryn
phornography? Don't spell stuff weird. I'm already misreading things, and that
was my point before.
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well I tried to morph pornography and photography (the words!)
I thought you meant pornography for the phonograph.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 03/02/2005 : 17:19:45
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
I swear this is true. When I was 14 (in 1980), my biggest fear was that there would be a nuclear holocaust before I got my driver's license. That's how bad it was.
jesus, my biggest fear was i had aids, i was only 14 and hadn't had sex yet, but i lived in the "gay" capital of canada and i had bumps on my tongue, they turned out to be adenoids.
on a funny sidenote i remember my friend and i having this
conversation: (we were about 13)
sanjay: "if there was a nuclear war where would you go?"
me: "i dunno, playland, have some fun, die riding the rollercoaster"
sanjay: "i'd go to squamish."
me: (laughter) "why?"
sanjay: "because it's a nuclear free-zone"
me: "whaddya mean"
sanjay: "well, you know when you're driving there, it has that sign that says welcome to squamish - a nuclear free zone"
me: "i think that just means they don't use nuclear energy for a power plant."
sanjay: "oh, i thought it meant squamish was radioactive-proof or something"
me: "i don't think so, i'm still going to playland"
sanjay: "can i come?"
me: (laughter) "ok"
I'm what you call a repeat offender. I repeat, I will offend again! |
| misterwoe |
Posted - 03/02/2005 : 13:24:53
A couple of years ago I was doing a little bit of light research about the whole moon thing, and somebody showed me an interesting picture.
The camera they were using had a lense that created four cross hairs on each corner. On the bottom right cross hair...well I couldn't see all of it because an object was placed in front of it. The picture had obviously been doctored. While we don't know who doctored the picture, I don't find it very hard that something as big as the moon landing could be faked. Our government keeps all sorts of secrets from us. Who knows, maybe they did the whole thing in Area 51. Just because something is on TV or even in the newspapers doesn't mean it is true. People have learn to more critical of what they read or hear. Why do you think the government is dumbing down our euducational system? It's because they don't want us asking questions, they don't want us thinking. A certain %2 of the population makes way too much money off of the majority for them to start asking questions. Just keep them doped with TV and video games...everything will be all right.
And yes, the educational system is being dumbed down. They'll let any body pass a grade these days. High school was almost a complete waste of my time. Thank God for English classes. Oh yeah, I was in the FFA for four years too. That was pretty cool.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole. |
| tobafett |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 15:28:18
thundercleese says: "the moon landings were real"
tobafett says "see, told ya!" |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 14:56:33
It's really interesting to see these comments about the fear surrounding the Cold War. I don't think a lot of younger people, especially non-Americans, really understand that.
On a lighter note, I love the pic KoK.
Pure Reason Revolution |
| tobafett |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 14:19:27
Right on, BLT, I used to be scared and wake up nights wondering where I would hide when the soviets invaded...where I would hide food and guns and stuff. and I was a kid of the 80s, not the 70s, really. i remember the propaganda at school (weekly readers--remember those--pro US, anti Soviet) and just worrying sick about bombs fallin.
There was a song that frightened the crap outof me, it seems silly I guess now, but the mike and the mechanics song about "can you hear me running" always made me think of carrying out a guerilla war to fight the soviet overlords who would eventually take over my country.
When gorbachev was arrested in his dacha, I remember I was getting ready to take a shower, like stepping in, the radio report came over and i stood there in silence for 20 minutes listening while the radio played, the water ran, and I stood there shivering to think that some madman was gonna take over the nukes and it's all goin' to hell.
so when we oldtimers talk of how big a deal the cold war was, it's not to belittle the internet and the wondrous things it does, or could do, for the future of humanity and freedom of thought/expression/etc...it's cause we see the bigger picture. identity theft doesn't hold a damned candle to the fear instilled in me of a soviet icbm on its trajectory to my freakin' back yard, man. and i'm no big conspiracy theorist. it was that scary. ALL life on this dinky planet coulda been eradicated had hot heads prevailed in the Kremlin and in Washington.
and to balance the US version, several of my ex-soviet friends in college told us that the soviet television stations showed images and footage of nuclear explosions every single damned day. They were told that the US wanted to obliterate the Soviet Union, that the West hated them, that the Warsaw Pact nations and NATO would ultimately come to war and that NATO would start it. We all drank and drank together reminiscing how bad it was--on both sides. Now, it's scary because of smaller-scale terror and the dangers of proliferation but there was ALWAYS that problem, just the superpowers scared everybody a helluva lot more than the iran/iraq war did in the 80s, ok?
ok, enough lecture.
anyway, astronauts landed on the damned moon, ok? geez. |
| BLT |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:54:45
I swear this is true. When I was 14 (in 1980), my biggest fear was that there would be a nuclear holocaust before I got my driver's license. That's how bad it was. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:51:15
It's always interesting to read about the cold war (and more interesting to hear firsthand) in the US. I'm not old enough to have lived through the 70s at all, but I don't remember anything like that sort of fear in Canada. When the Berlin wall came down I remember thinking, good for Germany, but not really understanding the significance - that it meant the end of an era of fear - because I didn't feel that way and admittedly I was still younger.
What's more interesting to me is that someday the 90s will be seen as a golden age for the US between the Cold War and the War On Terror (with terror!). And here we thought nothing good would come of it.
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
| Sir Rockabye |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:49:21
quote:
Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
I hope you can see this because I'm giving it to you as hard as I can.
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Yes, Moonenites! God damn, I love Inignot and Err.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
| tobafett |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:24:01
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
phornography? Don't spell stuff weird. I'm already misreading things, and that
was my point before.
well I tried to morph pornography and photography (the words!)
phorntography...how's that! |
| kathryn |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:21:43
phornography? Don't spell stuff weird. I'm already misreading things, and that
was my point before.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| tobafett |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 13:20:10
you seem to be obsessed with phornography, kathryn...
AND US ASTRONAUTS LANDED ON THE MOON. And Stalin killed 20 million soviet citizens 'cause he could. |
| kathryn |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 12:56:21
quote:
Originally posted by Elephant
I have some hard-core photographic evidence, but I need to doctor it first...
I read that about four times before I saw that it didn't say
"hard-core pornographic evidence." What the
hell is the matter with me?
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| darwin |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 12:46:42
quote:
Originally posted by Newo
Darwin, Iīm reading an anthology of Bill Burroughs at the moment, and it sez he felt the folk running Union of States and United Soviets were not enemies but peers and rivals vying to see who could achieve complete control first. I tend to agree.
Superpowers perhaps need an enemy, and both have some bad histories. But, I would think we could agree that the people of the United States had far more freedoms than the people of the Soviet Union and that Stalin killed far more people than any American President.
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| The King Of Karaoke |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 12:36:13
I hope you can see this because I'm giving it to you as hard as I can.
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| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 05:24:45
quote:
Originally posted by jediroller
This dude certainly believes we landed on the Moon. Quite a fun read.
Pack all my shit, get on a plane
Follow the sunset for 24 hours
Hehe, what an ass!
Pure Reason Revolution |
| ElevatorLady |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 05:06:44
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Perhaps that was sarcasm (so hard to tell on the Internet) but George Bush's recent election was another example of the relative unimportance of the Internet.
OK, I know this discussion is already getting boring, but I just have to add here that I don't think that the importance of the Internet is in it's capacity to improve things and making the world a better place ecc., I'm just saying that it influences my (and many other's) every day life, like I wouldn't be spending a great portion of my day behind the computer if there wasn't for the internet and I wouldn't be aware of many things that I know now. I don't care if it makes things better or worse or if it's completely useless (which I think it mostly is), but it made my life different.
Sorry to be annoying and repetative, I'm just trying to express my thoughts. I'll stop now.
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| jediroller |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 04:46:03
This dude certainly believes we landed on the Moon. Quite a fun read.
Pack all my shit, get on a plane
Follow the sunset for 24 hours |
| Newo |
Posted - 02/28/2005 : 02:27:10
Darwin, Iīm reading an anthology of Bill Burroughs at the moment, and it sez he felt the folk running Union of States and United Soviets were not enemies but peers and rivals vying to see who could achieve complete control first. I tend to agree.
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"Here love," brakes on a high squeak, "itīs not backstage at the old Windmill or something, you know." |
| Elephant |
Posted - 02/27/2005 : 23:22:07
VoVat,
Main Entry: self-opin·ion·at·ed
Pronunciation: -y&-"nA-t&d
Function: adjective
1 : CONCEITED
2 : stubbornly holding to one's own opinion : OPINIONATED
- self-opin·ion·at·ed·ness noun |
| Elephant |
Posted - 02/27/2005 : 23:19:19
Ha ha ha, yes it was sarcasm. I as well enjoy a good ol' fashion conspiracy - hence the fact I'm just simply unsold on the fact that America landed on the moon first, I think we all need to get to the real facts here... Canada did it first.
I have some hard-core photographic evidence, but I need to doctor it first... |
| WolfManMikeLonely |
Posted - 02/27/2005 : 20:51:06
Commie rats.
"Hey fuck you if you don't like it."
-Johnny Thunders
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 02/27/2005 : 20:33:13
I am definately open minded that it didn't happen. I just gotta do some more research to figure out my true opinion. I have always accepted the moon landing as fact... as was taught to me. (Even Mr. Rogers had moon rocks on one show.. I think he said the flag flew because there was a wire in it)!
I kinda hope we didn't because I like a good consiracy... but I will also be open minded that it did!    |
