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| starmekitten |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 14:22:50
I'm watching farenheit 9/11 for the fist time tonight
(thus far reserving my judgement)
I don't know if anyone is terribly interested but:
http://www.webchats.tv/cgi-bin/public/login.cgi?action=loginform&p_confid=151
He's doing a live webchat after the showing of the film in one hour and ten minutes time (11.30pm GMT) for those with questions to pose.
you
me
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| prozacrat |
Posted - 02/02/2005 : 18:26:16
Yes. Including Mr. Kopel, as well. That's why I appreciated his inclusion of Mr. Moore's War Room rebuttals. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/02/2005 : 04:11:09
Interesting, thanks for that.
This is why it's hard to know who to believe, including Mr Kopel.
Love, love, my season |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 02/02/2005 : 01:20:09
I'm not big into bondage, but if there were one person in this world I would like to see gagged with his hands tied behind his back for the rest of his life, it would be Michael Moore. Though I don't think that will be necessary. Many people have already caught on to his obvious contradictions in everything he says, from one book or film to the next, and eventually everybody will stop listening to what he says. But I can't stand how people are watching movies like Fahrenheit 911 thinking that even 20% of its content is credible. There are plenty of things to be pissed about regarding the Bush administration and the whole 9/11 situation, but Michael Moore is the last person to go to if you want the facts. He's not concerned with those. He just wants cameras pointed on him like a good little media whore. I like http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm and how it plays things out point by point regarding his latest work of fiction. Dave Kopel suggests readings if you want real dirt on Bush, etc. but puts Michael Moore's work into perspective. He even gives Moore room to defend each deceit, point by point. It's an educational read. Anyone who sees Fahrenheit 911 should read this before making any real judgement calls from what he/she has seen. Yeah. I really don't like Michael Moore. |
| GypsyDeath |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:45:15
wouldnt go as far as love, but i appreiciate what hes doing. However , theres some things he could of maybe done a little differently, but thats who he is, andd how he decides to do these things.
Theres nothing wrong with being passionate about a cause which affects you and your loved ones, surely?
However, the way he expresses this is debateable (sp!?), i agree
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| BLT |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:40:26
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Well your so-called "football" is a girly sport anyway, so...
So that explains all the injuries! It's just like a bunch of girls to get torn ligaments, broken limbs, and concussions on a regular basis. |
| Monsieur |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:35:55
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
OK, enough for now. I'll be snowboarding in the Alps if anyone needs me. hehe
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..."
You veinard!
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
| vilainde |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:31:38
OK, enough for now. I'll be snowboarding in the Alps if anyone needs me. hehe
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
| vilainde |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:30:26
quote:
Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by Superabounder
I found that most of my co-workers at my job in Texas bashed Kerry primarily because of his looks, his "funny-looking and speaking" wife, and pictures of him throwing a football like a girl. So whatever.
really though, would you want a president who throws a football like a girl?
Well your so-called "football" is a girly sport anyway, so...
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:23:23
Loathe Michael Moore...love Michael J. Fox.
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 19:52:17
Spell what? "Football" or "girl"?
I neither love nor loathe Michael Moore, but I fall more on the side of the former. I liked both Fahrenheit and Bowling for Columbine.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| Superabounder |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:36:45
quote:
Originally posted by floop
[quote]Originally posted by Superabounder
I found that most of my co-workers at my job in Texas bashed Kerry primarily because of his looks, his "funny-looking and speaking" wife, and pictures of him throwing a football like a girl. So whatever.
really though, would you want a president who throws a football like a girl?
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Well, as long as he can spell it... |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:32:58
I will be in the McDave thread if anybody wants me.
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| floop |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:25:30
quote:
Originally posted by Superabounder
I found that most of my co-workers at my job in Texas bashed Kerry primarily because of his looks, his "funny-looking and speaking" wife, and pictures of him throwing a football like a girl. So whatever.
really though, would you want a president who throws a football like a girl?
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| Superabounder |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:14:39
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
I'd open a deli called Moore for Your Money and serve it sliced in downtown San Francisco.
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wouldn't you want to go red state with that? |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:13:17
There's a lot of him too, you could make some prime cuts and live like a king for months!
you
me
we used to be on fire |
| Erebus |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:10:44
I'd open a deli called Moore for Your Money and serve it sliced in downtown San Francisco. |
| Superabounder |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:10:02
I enjoyed Fahrenheit 911. It takes a lot of guts to actually vocalize anything against the current administration. I'm tired of all the right wing commentators, and the administration-paid pundits slamming anyone with a different opinion. Most people who saw the movie, even if you were already a Kerry supporter like me, realized that Moore went all out, and stretched what he could for effect, but there was a hell of a lot of honest material in there to raise questions.
I found that most of my co-workers at my job in Texas bashed Kerry primarily because of his looks, his "funny-looking and speaking" wife, and pictures of him throwing a football like a girl. So whatever.
**hunkers down and waits for Erebus flame to arrive** |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:35:09
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
I could cut his heart out and enjoy it.
Would you put it on display or eat it with some fava beans and a nice chianti?
you
me
we used to be on fire |
| Jose Jones |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:21:07
i'll be in the "beautiful women" one.
-dan
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they were the heroes of old, men of renown. |
| speedy_m |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:20:24
Like or loathe Michael Moore, is there anything more damning to President Bush than sticking a camera in his face and letting him speak? |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:17:30
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
I could cut his heart out and enjoy it. It would be my gift to humanity.
 The shock! The horror!
Love, love, my season |
| floop |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:12:18
i'll be in the holocaust thread if anyone needs me
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| Erebus |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:10:20
I could cut his heart out and enjoy it. It would be my gift to humanity. |
| WolfManMikeLonely |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 16:40:46
Loathe.
"Hey fuck you if you don't like it."
-Johnny Thunders
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| kathryn |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 16:20:52
Don't reserve further judgment. Tell what you think!
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 15:58:19
I just finished watching it now. Interesting stuff. But I reserve further judgement.
Love, love, my season |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 15:28:56
Thanks, Floop. I hadn't seen that and didn't know anything about it.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| floop |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 15:26:24
his film was essentially disqualified from the Best Documentary category (he didn't submit it), but not from Best Picture.
i don't think it deserves a Best Picture nomination anyway. not even close.
if you're interested:
Monday, September 6th, 2004
Why I Will Not Seek a Best Documentary Oscar (I'm giving it up in the hopes more voters can see "Fahrenheit 9/11")
9/6/04
Dear Friends,
I had dinner recently with a well-known pollster who had often worked for Republicans. He told me that when he went to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" he got so distraught he twice had to go out in the lobby and pace during the movie.
"The Bush White House left open a huge void when it came to explaining the war to the American people," he told me. "And your film has filled that void -- and now there is no way to defeat it. It is the atomic bomb of this campaign."
He told me how he had conducted an informal poll with "Fahrenheit 9/11" audiences in three different cities and the results were all the same. "Essentially, 80% of the people going IN to see your movie are already likely Kerry voters and the movie has galvanized them in a way you rarely see Democrats galvanized.
"But, here's the bad news for Bush: Though 80% going IN to your movie are Kerry voters, 100% of those COMING OUT of your movie are Kerry voters. You can't come out of this movie and say, 'I am absolutely and enthusiastically voting for George W. Bush.'"
His findings are similar to those in other polls conducted around the country. In Pennsylvania, a Keystone poll showed that 4% of Kerry's support has come from people who decided to vote for him AFTER seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11" -- and in an election that will be very close, 4% is a landslide. A Harris poll found that 44% of Republicans who see the film give it a “positive” rating. Another poll, to be released this week, shows a 21-point shift in Bush's approval rating, after just one viewing of the movie, among audiences of undecideds who were shown "Fahrenheit 9/11" in Ohio.
My pollster friend told me that he believes if Kerry wins, "Fahrenheit 9/11" will be one of the top three reasons for his election. Kerry's only problem, he said, is how many people will actually be able to see it before election day. The less that see it, the better for Bush.
But 20 million people have already seen it -- and the Gallup poll said that 56% of the American public has seen or plans to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" either in the theater or on home video. The DVD and home video of our film, thanks to our distributors listening to our pleas to release it before November, will be in the stores on October 5. This is very good news.
But can it also be shown on TV? I brought this possibility up in this week's Rolling Stone interview. Our contract with our DVD distributor says no, it cannot. I have asked them to show it just once, perhaps the night before the election. So far, no deal. But I haven't given up trying.
The only problem with my desire to get this movie in front of as many Americans as possible is that, should it air on TV, I will NOT be eligible to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for Academy Award consideration for Best Documentary. Academy rules forbid the airing of a documentary on television within nine months of its theatrical release (fiction films do not have the same restriction).
Although I have no assurance from our home video distributor that they would allow a one-time television broadcast -- and the chances are they probably won't -- I have decided it is more important to take that risk and hope against hope that I can persuade someone to put it on TV, even if it's the night before the election.
Therefore, I have decided not to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration for the Best Documentary Oscar. If there is even the remotest of chances that I can get this film seen by a few million more Americans before election day, then that is more important to me than winning another documentary Oscar. I have already won a Best Documentary statue. Having a second one would be nice, but not as nice as getting this country back in the hands of the majority.
The deadline to submit the film for the documentary Oscar was last Wednesday. I told my crew who worked on the film, let's let someone else have that Oscar. We have already helped to ignite the biggest year ever for nonfiction films. Last week, 1 out of every 5 films playing in movie theaters across America was a documentary! That is simply unheard of. There have been so many great nonfiction films this year, why not step aside and share what we have with someone else? Remove the 800-pound gorilla from that Oscar category and let the five films who get nominated have all the attention they deserve (instead of the focus being on a film that has already had more than its share of attention).
I've read a lot about "Fahrenheit" being a "sure bet" for the documentary Oscar this year. I don't believe anything is truly a "sure bet." And, in the end, I think sometimes it's good for your soul to give up something everyone says is so easily yours (ask Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps why he gave up his spot in the last race to someone else equally deserving, and you'll know what I am talking about).
I have informed our distributors of my decision. They support me (in fact, they then offered to submit our film for all the other categories it is eligible for, including Best Picture -- so, hey, who knows, maybe I'll get to complete that Oscar speech from 2003! Sorry, just kidding).
Don't get your hopes up for seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11" on TV before the election. In fact, I would count on NOT seeing it there (you know me, I'm always going after something I probably shouldn't). Get to the theaters soon, if you haven't already, or get it from the video store in October and hold house parties. Share it with everyone you know, especially your nonvoting friends. I have included 100 minutes of extras on the DVD -- powerful footage obtained after we made the movie, and some things that are going to drive Karl Rove into a permanent tailspin -- more on this later!
Thanks for all of your support. And go see "Super Size Me," "Control Room," "The Corporation," "Orwell Rolls Over in His Grave," "Bush's Brain," Robert Greenwald's films and the upcoming "Yes Men." You won't be sorry!
Yours,
Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-06
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| kathryn |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 15:05:31
The Oscars were just announced, it didn't get a nomination.
Apparently it is that time again.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| BLT |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 14:57:51
Not again...
http://tinyurl.com/6ygkq |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 14:48:47
*rolls up sleeves, clears throat, stands on top of soapbox*
I, for one, am sick of the Michael Moore backlash.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 14:37:37
Yeah, the one definate thing I can say is it isn't subtle.
I don't think it is directed towards those unwilling to believe as fueling fires for those who really do believe. It's totally biased propaganda but I guess balances off the propaganda of the other viewpoint so...
It's interesting.
you
me
we used to be on fire |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 14:32:20
Seems reasonable to me so far, i also haven't seen it before. Its less than subtle but its directed towards those unwilling to believe it I think, so maybe its justified, I don't know.
"What sounds to you like a big load of trashy noise, is in fact the brilliant music of a genius" |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 14:30:34
*innocent batting of eyelashes*
I do not know what you mean floop!
Just thought some people might be a little bit interested is all...
you
me
we used to be on fire |
| floop |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 14:26:58
oh no.. here we go
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