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| Foucaults Dog |
Posted - 05/16/2006 : 01:15:57
I got the opportunity to listen to a promo of Fastman yesterday and I was very sadly dissapointed...I hope it was just a bad first impression, but after a good opening track it all went downhill.
It just didn't seem to have that FB quality about it. It was almost Jools Holland. I got the distinct impression that there were just too many named musicians on there, each adding bits and pieces that just aren't what I associate with Frank, which is normally a damn fine song that sounds great with or without accompaniment. There's a fine line in country between creative and crass and some tracks on this album crossed that line.
I just wonder if anyone else has heard the album yet and can give me their impressions...I'm hoping that I was having one of those Lester Bangs MC5 moments and I'll hear it differently next time. |
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 06/15/2006 : 01:46:22
Maybe it's best this thread gets locked for a while to stop this degrading any further? It's a shame as this was a reasonable thread before this nonsense. I hope it can be unlocked later and carry on as it was before this started.
If you have a problem with this francophillia in whichever of your personalities you feel like today feel free to email me.
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| francophillia2 |
Posted - 06/15/2006 : 01:40:25
He won't listen. It's best you send a message and silence his poisonous fingers forever.quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten
This is a Fastman Raiderman discussion, it isn't a place for you two to take stabs at each other and francophillia it certainly isn't a place to insult the moderators.
You're not doing yourself any favours.
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 06/15/2006 : 01:27:55
This is a Fastman Raiderman discussion, it isn't a place for you two to take stabs at each other and francophillia it certainly isn't a place to insult the moderators.
You're not doing yourself any favours.
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| francophillia2 |
Posted - 06/15/2006 : 01:24:16
You should really kick francophillia out of this happy gathering. His words have bruised the feelings of more fans of frank black's music than i care to recount. kick. him. out. |
| francophilia |
Posted - 06/15/2006 : 00:12:53
Fucking Canadians. No sense of humor. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 23:41:47
In response? I believe you started down that road. And continue down. So, last warning...
1) You want to play childish "which of us is an idiot" games, it doesn't belong here. I'll say it again. It. Doesn't. Belong. Here. This does not mean posting and calling ME a retard. If you continue, it will be evident to me that you don't either. That you lashed out at him for saying the album is "delicious cake" already leaves me very near this conclusion.
2) The intent of this thread is discussion of FMRM and people's first impressions of it. Not about you. Sorry if you require the attention.
3) Yes, I see how you intended the "Teafer did it" to not mean what you had just finished saying, but rather something you talked about at the beginning of the paragraph. My fault.
 "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
| francophilia |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 23:29:04
You say disagreement does not merit the "you are retarded " comments- unless, as is apparent, the disagreement is over whether one of us is, in fact, retarded. And it just so happens.... it is!
Teafer is claiming I'm too retarded to appreciate FMRM. In response I'm claiming he's a retard for saying stupid shit as evidenced by his "delicious cake" comment. And therefore cannot infer that other people are retards on account of his own debilitating retardedness. quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Nonsense. Disagreement does not merit "are you retarded" comments. I have no idea how/where you see Teafer referencing the Holocaust or making racist remarks, and let's be clear that calling someone a retard is not exactly PC either.
If you want to do the back and forth sandbox thing, take it to email. This is not the place.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
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| francophilia |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 22:56:32
Now you are being retarded. Try reading the post slower or have someone close to you read it aloud, maybe then you will understand. It's very complex. I'm sorry about using the word retarded. I will try to be better about that.quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Nonsense. Disagreement does not merit "are you retarded" comments. I have no idea how/where you see Teafer referencing the Holocaust or making racist remarks, and let's be clear that calling someone a retard is not exactly PC either.
If you want to do the back and forth sandbox thing, take it to email. This is not the place.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
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| darwin |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 21:22:16
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I have no idea how/where you see Teafer referencing the Holocaust or making racist remarks
I don't think that is what he said.
I haven't heard the album, but I'm not looking forward to that "bawdy sax". |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 20:21:59
Nonsense. Disagreement does not merit "are you retarded" comments. I have no idea how/where you see Teafer referencing the Holocaust or making racist remarks, and let's be clear that calling someone a retard is not exactly PC either.
If you want to do the back and forth sandbox thing, take it to email. This is not the place.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
| francophilia |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 17:54:31
This thread is inherently contentious. How so? The condescending main argument employed by those defending the album is that the album is complex... too complex for Luddites like me to appreciate. Do i actually care? Are my feelings hurt? no. But there is a limit to how moronic a post can be. Usually that limit is surpassed only by racist remarks or references to the Holocaust. Teafer did it while he was just trying to say something nice.quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten
Whilst expressing the opinion that you don't like the album is absolutely fine as far as the forum is concerned, name calling and fight picking isn't. So how about keeping the criticism rational and the playground at the door.
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 15:05:51
Whilst expressing the opinion that you don't like the album is absolutely fine as far as the forum is concerned, name calling and fight picking isn't. So how about keeping the criticism rational and the playground at the door.
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| francophilia |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 15:01:45
If i were a coprophiliac(abnormal interest in feces) i should love the album. BTW, better to not use the non-word "unrational" than the make-me-get-a-dictionary word "coprophilia". If english is your second language, let the prior sentence serve as constructive critism rather than more evidence you are a retard.
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Originally posted by Teafer
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Originally posted by francophilia
The more I listen the worse it gets. There are actually embarrassing moments on this one. The cheer for Barleycorn. ouch. "a giant delicious cake"... wtf... Are you retarded?
the more i listen to it, the more it's obvious it's a very very good album. obsviously you don't get it, maybe for the reasons i mentionned, but the "are you retarded?" is just as ridiculous as your pointless and unrationnal grrs.
francophilia ? coprophilia.
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker."
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| Teafer |
Posted - 06/14/2006 : 03:20:56
quote:
Originally posted by francophilia
The more I listen the worse it gets. There are actually embarrassing moments on this one. The cheer for Barleycorn. ouch. "a giant delicious cake"... wtf... Are you retarded?
the more i listen to it, the more it's obvious it's a very very good album. obsviously you don't get it, maybe for the reasons i mentionned, but the "are you retarded?" is just as ridiculous as your pointless and unrationnal grrs.
francophilia ? coprophilia.
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
| francophilia |
Posted - 06/13/2006 : 18:32:52
It's a common condition. Zappa fans are perhaps the the most seriously afflicted. I love zappa. I own his entire catalog. At least two thirds of it is unlistenable.
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Originally posted by crippe
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Originally posted by francophilia
Mr. Tiven recommendeed Q-tips as a remedy to this common ailment.
Q-tips, however, will not alleviate the spiritual pain of being morarlly olbligated to buy the piece of crap once its released. I have a strict "you steal it, you buy it policy" when it comes those who deserve it.
I love most of Frank Black's work and I consider myself a fan, however I'm not going to force myself into thinking that FMRM is a great album just because it's a 'Frank Black album'.
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| crippe |
Posted - 06/13/2006 : 17:23:54
quote:
Originally posted by francophilia
Mr. Tiven recommendeed Q-tips as a remedy to this common ailment.
Q-tips, however, will not alleviate the spiritual pain of being morarlly olbligated to buy the piece of crap once its released. I have a strict "you steal it, you buy it policy" when it comes those who deserve it.
I love most of Frank Black's work and I consider myself a fan, however I'm not going to force myself into thinking that FMRM is a great album just because it's a 'Frank Black album'. |
| Carl |
Posted - 06/13/2006 : 14:24:12
Y'mean 'fazer eyes'?! :)
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| Grotesque |
Posted - 06/13/2006 : 14:10:05
That's funny, personaly I think My Terrible Ways is one of the highlights of fmrm.
I also made the "switching disc test" with TOTY, and strangly enough, when I went back from "father eyes" to "In the time of my ruin", I had a feeling it was growing even more consistant. |
| francophilia |
Posted - 06/13/2006 : 14:03:07
Mr. Tiven recommendeed Q-tips as a remedy to this common ailment.
Q-tips, however, will not alleviate the spiritual pain of being morarlly olbligated to buy the piece of crap once its released. I have a strict "you steal it, you buy it policy" when it comes those who deserve it. |
| crippe |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 17:57:56
quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m
The only really negative comment I have is for My Terrible Ways. I've listened to it many times, and I love the music, but the singing is nearly unlistenable. In general, my issue with this album has to do with my feeling that in some cases Frank's voice doesn't seem to match the music, like plaid and stripes. Taken seperately, they're enjoyable, but together they don't really work for me. A good example is Dirty Old Town. Frank's voice seems out of place, where the other singer fits right in.
Well said, I couldn't agree more. Frank's vocals on Dirty Old Town are just plain bad, almost karaoke-bad I'm afraid. |
| speedy_m |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 15:06:56
Well I must say I also had a somewhat dissapointing first listen. Fortunately, I try not to listen to things just once. After many more spins, I think that parts of the album are still congealed to me; they're all lumped together aurally and I can't separate them - yet. As for stand out tracks, I absolutely love In The Time of Ruin. It's like a distillation of everything that is/was brilliant about his songwriting, bent through a studio session prism. I think this could be a Pixies track, and were it on a theoretical new Pixies album, it would be hailed as a masterpiece. Of course it would probably also have a bad ass Joey solo/lead. Other standout include If Your Poison Gets Your, Johnny Barleycorn, Fast Man, and Elijah.
The only really negative comment I have is for My Terrible Ways. I've listened to it many times, and I love the music, but the singing is nearly unlistenable. In general, my issue with this album has to do with my feeling that in some cases Frank's voice doesn't seem to match the music, like plaid and stripes. Taken seperately, they're enjoyable, but together they don't really work for me. A good example is Dirty Old Town. Frank's voice seems out of place, where the other singer fits right in. I've found this in other songs as well, like Frank's cover of Mother Popcorn. The first man singing is right in his element, and Frank can't really compete. Perhaps that's the issue with all of Frank's later work; sure he's a vocal chameleon and has been genre hopping for years, but I went back and listened to TOTY (where he really tackles all of these disperate genres on one record) and he sounds totally at home on each song, and each song sounds like Frank, regardless of whcih genre he's using (or warping into some wonderful Frankified version of reggae, or soul, or punk, or etc). With his attempt to fully be in this genre (I hate to label it anything, but I think you all know what I'm talking about), I think he's attemtping to sound a particular way, and in some cases, it's just not making it for me.
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| Grotesque |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 12:26:00
Tiven's incredible ability to defend the album each time there is a little pick on it sometimes makes me doubt he's really the guy, producer of that masterpiece.
Hey, the kid is tuf, I'm sure he can survive by himself in the playground!
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| Carl |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 06:01:27
Yeah, her new song Dog In A Bag is fantastic.
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| fbc |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 02:54:08
I don't mind a little sax in the morning.
Anyway, I've just heard the new Paris Hilton track, and it blows all of Frank's back catalogue outta the water. |
| kotvana |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 00:22:21
every time i hear it, i found another magnificent song. it's hard to pay attention to just one song when u hear so many! cd 2 is still much better, i think. it is really emotional. maybe the most emotional collection of songs frank ever made, alot of nuances.
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| francophilia |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 15:17:12
Dear Mr. Tiven
Your ego need not be checked. I am a fan of much of your work, just not this. Clean out my ears? My dirty ears are the only thing protecting my brain from that bawdy sax at the end of Barleycorn. BTW Fast Man- great song.
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| Jontiven |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 13:48:24
Dear Francophilia,
Stop listening, it's not out yet.
Two posts total and both to slag off FMRM?
Where have you been all my life, sweetie?
I need people like you to keep my enormous ego in check. Thanks!
bye,
Jon Tiven
p.s. You might try a Q-tip. I think your ears are blocked. |
| velvety |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 10:00:20
People they're no fun.
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| francophilia |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:11:24
The more I listen the worse it gets. There are actually embarrassing moments on this one. The cheer for Barleycorn. ouch. "a giant delicious cake"... wtf... Are you retarded? |
| Carl |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 07:29:43
Some albums disappoint on first listen, but grow on you over time. I'm thinking of Beck's Sea Change, for instance.
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| Teafer |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 04:49:58
so it's not disapointment i feel now, it's more like facing a gigantic delicious cake.
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
| Teafer |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 04:48:17
After five listens, this is what i have to say to the world about the fmrm thing :
1. it's a very complex album, partly because the songs are complex in themselves and quite long with large instrumental sections and it's hard to get a grip on the songs melodic signatures even after 5 listens.
2. the esthetical position of Frank on fmrm is clearly paying homage to genres he used to be a total stranger to and it is surprinsing to hear that for a toty/fbatc hardcore fan.
3. on the other, and because of 1. & 2., the quantity of musical ideas is soooo impressive that i feel it's gonna take me months to get around this album and even more suprisingly i actually liked some songs on the first listen.
So it's easy to understand the mitigated feelings on the album after a few listens : frank never dit put out an album of that complexity.
But obviously, this is gonna be a fan fave, the quantity of brillant ideas on the album is mindblogging.
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
| francophilia |
Posted - 06/07/2006 : 17:20:46
I would agree that some o frank's albums are growers. However, there are usually a few standout tracks that keep you interested in the mean time. FM/RM, is without. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see a lot of growth potential for the rambling FM/RM.
Keep in mind, this is coming for someone who didn't love Honeycomb. |
| Carl |
Posted - 06/05/2006 : 08:44:26
quote:
Originally posted by langdonboom
the man's genius is now more subtle and deeper than shocking audio tricks and stunts (not that I didn't love those) from his Pixies, earlier days.
Good point.
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| langdonboom |
Posted - 06/05/2006 : 06:52:03
Just to add my 2 cents:
Franks albums have ALWAYS (almost always) been growers, with a few immediate hits and then the more subtle songs emerging after repeated listens.
And as for being "original", I'll repeat my standard FB stance: the man's genius is now more subtle and deeper than shocking audio tricks and stunts (not that I didn't love those) from his Pixies, earlier days. So as a result the songs at first appear to be generic since they're written in a more subtle rock language. I thought the same thing about every album since the Catholics.
The man hasn't gotten boring in his old age, he's gotten stronger -- strong enough not to have to do musical backflips to infuse some innovation into his music. As Marshall McLuhan said, when real revolutions come along, they don't look like breakthroughs-they look like chaos - not that Frank Black is some rock n' roll Bach, its just he writes really sublimly weird rock and roll, which at this stage in the game (half a century since Elvis) is a pretty amazing thing to accomplish I think. It just goes to show that the innovation you EXPECT is not really innovation at all, and that true originality can take a while to 'get used to'.
Anyway, by now FMRM is another great example of Frank's genius to me, after I also felt somewhat blase about it after a cursory few first listens.
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