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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/13/2004 : 23:09:58
Hi...thought it would be fun to hear about what y'all think of the Pixies shows after you see them LIVE for the first time in a million years.
The Fine Line show blew me and every single one of the fans I talked to away. My ears are still ringing and my neck is numb...but I wanted to share this with you guys.
Hi... let me know if this thread is redundant....wasn't sure if this should go into the news section.
I am so hyped after that show...it was everything and more.
After talking with several fans after the show we agreed the band sounded as good or if not better than we remembered. They played every song we had hoped and ROCKED the house.
Since I know that if you're like me you want some element of suprise when you hear the show...I won't go through the set list here.
But I was amazed that they played every single tune I had hoped. Others said they were very happy with the line up. It was cool because about every other song, I had to draw myself back to reality that I was actually there live.
The only thing I would change my view from the floor was somewhat obstructed, which is to be expected due to the fact I am some what vertically challenged. From the glimpses I could gather of the band it did appear that they were smiling and relishing the moment as well. The band had good chemestry and commented that they felt like this was their first show too. 
This was definately the best show of my life for the following reasons: The Pixies are my favorite band...they are on top of their game and the Fine Line and GREAT sound. The people I talked to were so amazed by the sound!!! Basically, I have an old import CD called "All Over The World," recorded in 1989 in Newcastle, UK; Holland and Chicago. Basically, the sound on this was muddy and since it is the closest I have gotten to hearing the band live...however I was very impressed at the sound. Except for the ambient noise of us screaming fanitics, for the most part it sounded like I was listening to a studio recording...I have never heard this good of sound quality at a concert ever.
The T-shirts were cool...I got one with all the tour dates. It was great meeting so many cool Pixies fans. After listening to them for so many years in isolation...it is great to meet people that share that common passion. It was sad because a handful seemed to have had too much to drink...I bet they will be bumed if they don't remember the show tomorrow. However, it was a very exciting atmosphere with most fans commenting they felt lucky to be there and amazed they were witnessing such a historical concert. 
There were alot of fans (me accidently being one of them) singing along...but you could still hear the music great.
You guys who have tickets at other shows are definately in for a treat. If you don't have tickets and you are a fan buy them! You don't want to feel ashamed that if your grandkids ask if you ever saw the Pixies, you don't want to say that you were too lame and missed out.
The opening band Capitol Years was very cool too... the did a great job warming up the crowed and people seemed to get into it despite the fact many had not heard their music before. Personally, just check them out...they have links to songs on their websites.
I am so glad the Pixies show was more awesome than I could have expected!
I was taking to another fan and we agreed that we could die happy knowing we had seen them!!! I feel so lucky and can't wait until I can see them again!!!!!!
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| andrescolombia |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 13:23:22
!!!!Will somebody be interested in exchanging a Winny copy for a MPLS one???? or to trade MP3 over msn? ftp? !!!!
AndresCOL |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 10:25:41
Hi I found a copy of the set list on the web...i put it on a temporary page I started. http://daisygirlmn.tripod.com/
I am going to print a copy out and frame it!!! |
| klikger |
Posted - 04/17/2004 : 01:46:18
All i'm saying is there were several more songs on the setlist. Yes, they were under "encore choices", but they were on there nonetheless. The houselights came on after it was apparent that the crowd wasn't making that much noise. Whether it was a pre-determined thing or not, I don't know. You all sound pretty sure that it was, so I'll stop arguing. And I am grateful that the encore was longer than the 2nd and 3rd show's encores. I just wanted to hear a few more songs. And Shaun, why would you ever want to follow anyone who hates Kim? |
| ShaunWestphal |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 13:39:25
quote:
Originally posted by klikger
The house lights didn't come on in MPLS till after it was apparent that the crowd wasn't going to try to call them back out. It was more than 3 seconds. And they played 2 encores the next night. We can disagree about whether they would or wouldn't have, but I feel like if the fans cared enough, it would've happened.
Double check your DiscLives, even though Mpls only saw one encore, they did play two more songs than in Winnipeg.
P.S. Don't merely check track numbers as Something About You is on the end of track 8 of disc two (after Isla) on the Mpls disc.
Wherever Passion goes, I will follow... |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 13:35:59
Encores are planned just like the regular set. The way they did it was the way they were going to do it no matter what the crowd did.
How would the controllers of the house lights know when to turn them on if it wasn't planned exactly?
I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
| jackanapes |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 13:35:59
I disagree as well. After the first it was like, boom and the lights were on and they were playing "get your ass out of the venue" music. |
| solace |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 13:35:40
the house lights at the Fine Line show came on literally 15-30 seconds right after they finished Into The White and stepped off the stage, this is not an exaggeration at all.
there was never any plan to do a 2nd encore at Mpls, if you'd have seen the setlist at Winnipeg, it specifically said "2nd Encore?" after Where Is My Mind?
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| kromkamp |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 13:29:36
Well, I disagree with that. Plus, the single encore from Mpls was twice as long as the two encores from Winnipeg. |
| klikger |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 13:24:55
The house lights didn't come on in MPLS till after it was apparent that the crowd wasn't going to try to call them back out. It was more than 3 seconds. And they played 2 encores the next night. We can disagree about whether they would or wouldn't have, but I feel like if the fans cared enough, it would've happened. |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 11:52:43
quote:
Originally posted by solace
hah, like that'll happen :)
though i was happy to not see one single person try and crowd surf at the Fine Line show. i expected at least one dumbass to try.
Oh, I thought about it  but my rational side checked that bad idea.  I wanted to hear the tunes  |
| solace |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 11:43:18
hah, like that'll happen :)
though i was happy to not see one single person try and crowd surf at the Fine Line show. i expected at least one dumbass to try.
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 11:41:09
Hi,
I just found this on the Ticketmaster site for the Roy Wilkins show in Nov. Guess it makes what I was saying a moot point.
-*- JAM PRESENTS -*-
P I X I E S
NO MOSHING OR BODYSURFING
ROY WILKINS AUDITORIUM
SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
THU NOV 11, 2004 7:30 PM |
| Jettison |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 10:51:01
quote:
Originally posted by klikger
Thanks for speaking my exact thoughts, kimmyd. You are MY (current) favorite person on this board. OK, tied with Jettison.
thanks klikger...
i thought once the show started i was, i mean, the crowd was very well behaved.
i think with a mixture of people from 18 to over forty years old you're going to have an interesting chemistry at any show. i'm old and just like to nod and soak in the beauty, that doesn't mean i'm not into it.
i thought the energy was very high directly before the pixies went on stage.
www.thecroakers.com |
| mattb |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 10:13:55
quote:
Originally posted by subacultura
Winnipeg show
My girlfriend and I flew from Montreal in the morning, walked around during the day, and arrived early at king's head for pre-show beers.
We met some fans that went to the mineapolis show the day before and drove to winnipeg. I'm not sure of the forum nickname of the guy (MATTB?) who took our picture there...
please post it, so we can proove ourselves that this day was not a dream!
Hey dude, yeah it was me. I'm slowly getting my ass out of the house to get my pictures developed and should have the colour ones up here by the end of the day. The black and white from the show will take a few days though. I'll set up a link as soon as I get them. It was awesome meeting you man!
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 09:18:36
Thanks for the updates everyone... keep 'em comming.
Wow... i can't believe people were sitting down in the balcony!!!! That is so crazy....
In an ideal world what I would like to see at the next concert is people screaming their lungs out and giving the pixies the props they deserve. I want to see people having fun and dancing and getting hyped.
As far as setting the tone for the concert I think it is the band and how the fans react to it...not so much the pit. But a good pit can help make a good show better and a bad pit can be a total downer.
As with most of you guys been in many pits... the Ramones, GBH, DRI, Bad Brains, Fugazi, Danzig (wish it was the Misfits instead), Social D, Red Hot Chilli Peppers,Pearl Jam, PIL and local shows every Friday when in High School.
Yup..back in my day.. I have seen pits where people are knocked down and no one picks them up, I have seen one with a person being pulled out on stretchers. I have seen old school ones that are fun and no one gets hurt and people respect each other...which I prefer. I think Pixie fans are more of the latter...they want to push and have fun but yet look after each other help each other out.
I have been out of it for awhile but don't they have "pit seating" for those who WANT to be in the pit??? That way people who want to mosh can. If i was 15-22 again that's where I would want to be :) That way the people who want to slam dance can and those who don't want to don't get swept into the pit.
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| The Passion Of El Diablo |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 09:15:28
I've never met the Realist. But he apparently saw the same two shows I did, and I must begrudgingly agree with his cogent analysis of the situation. I entered the Realist's stupid trivia contest, and I'd like him to come forward with proof that I didn't win it, 'cuz there is no way in hell that Chislic got more right than I did. My fifth had to pay $750 to get in the door at the Fine Line to watch Kim Deal blow her first note on "Bone Machine." |
| roomloo |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 09:09:59
Passion, have you and the Realist really never met? Seriously, I think you guys would make awesome friends. Or maybe you're so much alike you'd just want to kill each other.
Agreed on the dearth of Bossanova and Trompe songs. Not agreed on the tone of your post -- you sound pissed off, I still managed to enjoy myself. |
| The Passion Of El Diablo |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 09:05:43
The Winnipeg show was a big bomb. I'm surprised they even bothered to play the next night. I'm surprised poor Frank can tolerate this mess of unprofessional sloppiness. Kim Deal is a cancer that needs to be removed from the band before she destroys it. Perhaps we could buy her a comfy chair in which to sit on stage and memorize her vocal parts before they pop up during a song. We could get an "extra" bass player to play the right notes, and Kim could just focus on drinking and smoking in her chair, and singing when needed. David Lovering rushes too much. He added an extra beat during nearly every burst of speed-playing required for songs from COME ON PILGRIM and SURFER ROSA, though I admit these mistakes are nearly unnoticeable due to Kim Deal's constant wrong-note dragged out flubs of crap. Black Francis and Joey Santiago are model professionals. I feel sorry for their having to deal with their distracted rhythm section.
TO THE BAND: SET LIST SUGGESTIONS (besides the chair and the extra bass player) . . . (1) Don't play "In Heaven" again. It's not your song, and Kim's throaty stylings don't do the Lynch lyrics justice. I'd even prefer to hear "Allison." (2) Don't play "Into the White" anymore. Kim proved she didn't know the song two straight nights. (3) Don't play "Head On." You're not fooling us; we know you're only playing it 'cuz it's easy and it fills time. I'd rather hear you play "Cactus" a second time if that's your purpose. (4) I'll give you a pass on playing "Winterlong" in Winnipeg, but that's the only place you should be able to play that piece of crap. And, even there, I'm docking you points for using it as your opener. (5) Hey, guys and gal, do you remember your two best albums, BOSSANOVA and TROMPE LE MONDE? Well, we do, and we'd like to hear more of those songs from you on your little reunion tour. (6) Do you remember how the original "Gouge Away" was played in one key? Well, tell your bass player that before your next show.
This list is my no means complete, but it's a start. I feel like the Pixies just mailed in the first two shows, and it doesn't sound like things got much better last night for Kim Deal. Trouble may be on the horizon. Frank can only take so much. |
| subacultura |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 08:24:37
Winnipeg show
My girlfriend and I flew from Montreal in the morning, walked around during the day, and arrived early at king's head for pre-show beers.
We met some fans that went to the mineapolis show the day before and drove to winnipeg. I'm not sure of the forum nickname of the guy (MATTB?) who took our picture there...
please post it, so we can proove ourselves that this day was not a dream!
The show was great, furiously fast paced, but not 100% perfect.
let's be objective a little bit... couple of off-key songs, off-tempo beats (that seemed to piss-off Frank as he looked at Dave a couple of time when that happened). Generaly speaking, the Breeders show we saw last year was much more tight, but again, they were not separated for 12 years. I'm sure they'll improve at every show.
We were 2nd row 1st balcony, center/right, so we had a real good view,
but no space to dance or move around, that's why we mostly sat down.
And the sound out there was not that great, we could not always hear the vocals, the base sounded a bit mushy some time.
Also, starting with winterlong ? sorry for all the winnipeg fans out there, but that's about the only song that didn't have it's place.
It's out of sync with the rest of their corpus, it's sooo mainstream!
I would have prefered any song on trompe le monde besides that.(I'm not a neil Young fan).
Besides that, it was 95% perfect! We were all in some kind of transe, and absorbed every little bit of the show.(with one exeption: that guy who went on beer runs 2-3 times on our left)
I hope they'll come to montreal sometime next fall.
and for all you fans out there traveling to see them,
it's worth every penny!
Unforgettable experience!
P.S. Ken, I tried to reach you, I didn't know you were at the Minneapolis show. It's ok anyway, we had a plan B and didn't have to sleep outside with welfare indians.
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| andrescolombia |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 08:19:35
I just got the CD... yesterday noon by the coolest P-fan in the world. I'm so glad to come across w/fans like her... Thanks a lot for it... Ojalá podamos practicar español y hablar de P un rato... chau,
AndresCOL |
| kromkamp |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 07:42:10
porkbone has it right on the money. You can tell when theres a chance of a second encore and when there isnt. When they leave the stage and 3 seconds later the lights come up, trust me you aint getting a second encore
I probably had the same 'sound' experience in Winnipeg as you did, BTW. The little area where people rushed the stage was a little bit *behind* the main speakers, so the sound was fairly poor. The music sounded good but Frank's voice was full of echo.
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| The Calistanian |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 07:21:45
quote:
In Winnipeg, the crowd was asleep. Like Kromkamp said, the balcony people were SITTING. I was in the front row of the 1st balcony and immediately stood up when they hit the stage. A few people stood up behind me and my wife (so they could see) but it was obvious the rest of the crowd was going to sit. So instead of being the asshole in front, I sat down. For the 1st encore I stayed standing, even though most people just sat down again. WTF??
Maybe it was the vertigo!
I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 06:42:49
I was on the main floor in Winnipeg, and didn't know that the whole crowd was sitting in the balcony! That's disrespectful and ridiculous (I'm not referring to porkbone1 who obviously wanted to stand). But, frankly, if you want to go to a concert and maul people, go to Gwar. I was jumping, cheering, high-fiving, screaming, probably more than anybody in Winnipeg(crank up the beginning of track 7 on disc 1 and you'll hear me scream "This is awesome!"), but it didn't make me violate anybody else's personal space. I don't care if the rest of the crowd were zombies or not. Most of them were obviously there because they loved the Pixies, and apparently they didn't feel the need to be posers and start slamming people. I respect that. The more civilized the rest of the crowd is, the more I enjoy the show without external distractions.
I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
| ShaunWestphal |
Posted - 04/16/2004 : 06:29:48
I'm glad some people agree with me. I probably shouldn't have said "overbooked." I went into the Fine Line show knowing it was gonna be a packed/rowdy crowd, so I wasn't upset when I got bumped around. The couple guys fighting upfront was annoying. I guess the short guy was pissed that the tall guy was tall. Winnipeg on the other hand, I went hoping it would be a little more fun than your average theater show. I watched a couple guys in the front row of the second balcony sit and sip whisky cokes for the whole show, the only movement they made was to get another drink. It was kind of ridiculous. |
| solace |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 23:43:04
i guess anyone who felt that the crowd was honestly OVERLY ROWDY at the Fine Line, i'll take you to a few shows here at First Ave, i think your perspective on the Pixies at the Fine Line will change drastically :)
my friends in the balcony even commented that other than the first 8-10 rows of people back, the crowd was pretty dead.
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| roomloo |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 21:37:31
Work? What? Oh yeah ... almost forgot. |
| porkbone1 |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 21:33:20
AH! I am finally home from Winnipeg and can contribute.
Okay. In Minneapolis I was in the second row of people from the stage, behind LoganZ who was leaning on the railing! The crowd was fully into it, and from our perspective so close to the stage, we couldn't hear Frank/Kim singing over the "sing-a-long" from the crowd. However, people who were a few rows back said the sound was great. After listening to the CD, I agree it sounded much better.
As far as a second encore, they would not have come out again. The set list (which I could see from where I was standing) said "encore choices". They were not going to play all of them. They did one encore, then they stepped to the front of the stage, waved, Kim shaked hands, then they left. The house lights came up, the music came on, and dudes started tearing down the stage.
In Winnipeg, the crowd was asleep. Like Kromkamp said, the balcony people were SITTING. I was in the front row of the 1st balcony and immediately stood up when they hit the stage. A few people stood up behind me and my wife (so they could see) but it was obvious the rest of the crowd was going to sit. So instead of being the asshole in front, I sat down. For the 1st encore I stayed standing, even though most people just sat down again. WTF??
I liked the setlist from the 2nd show better, but I liked the energy of the first night more. The sound at the 2nd show seemed better but I think that was just because we were not behind the PA system. After listening to the CDs, they made fewer mistakes at the Minneapolis show. Overall, the 1500 miles of driving in 2 days was well worth it. I wish I could keep going on to Regina and Saskatoon. We had so much fun meeting everyone and hanging out... too bad I have to go back to work!!
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| lafemmeaffole |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 21:30:11
where were you guys standing? I was in the 2nd row right in front of Joey.
just to clear something up though...I didn't think the 'crazy' people were all that bad either. but it sucked that those people were standing right behind me and I was therefore being elbowed in the face every 5 seconds. I had my hair pulled twice as well. I don't have a problem with people being energetic, but I do when it interferes with me being able to watch the show. |
| kromkamp |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 21:12:34
Its funny how perspectives differ.
The people around me on the floor at Minni were really into it, and in general I thought the crowd was very load and enthusiastic.
In contrast, the crowd in Winnipeg was a bunch of zombies. The people in the balconies WERE NOT EVEN STANDING. Lame. I was in the crowd rush at the front of the stage and people were into it, but not nearly as much as the night before I thought.
BTW, Winnipeg is a s*%t-hole town, and I feel like I can say that because I'm canadian
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| solace |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 20:41:53
fyi, the fine line show was not overbooked at all, the fine line staff made it a point to not do this.
i've seen a few shows there that were way more full (though they did have tables at the back at those usually). so maybe # of bodies, it was more, but i've seen way more packed shows there, is what i meant.
as for the crowds, i enjoyed the energy and frenzied Minneapolis crowd way more than Winnipeg. i guess at 26, and growing up seeing punk shows, i thought even the most energetic/crazy people at the Pixies show here, weren't even that wild, just totally excited (as i was too). the crowd energy mellowed off a great deal after the first 5-6 songs too (who couldn't go apeshit during those first 5?)
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| lafemmeaffole |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 20:20:59
yeah, about the Mpls show being overbooked...how many people would you guesstimate were in there? I've heard a few different capacity numbers (750-850), but it was definitely more than that. wouldn't you think that the Fine Line would be more cautious about capacity limits after the fire incident (there were people watching the show from the stairs, which is an obvious fire hazard). we would've all been fucked had there actually been a fire...although most of us would've died happy if it was after the Pixies' set. |
| ShaunWestphal |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 15:29:54
quote:
Originally posted by The Calistanian
quote:
Originally posted by lafemmeaffole
you're lucky if the worst thing about your part of the crowd was people going on frequent beer runs. the scene near me...oh man. I was on the verge of punching someone. there were these 2 guys (which eventually turned into about 4 or 5) arguing very loudly in between sets. this went on for about 20 minutes. I don't even remember what they were fighting about, but it included many expletives and violent threats. then there was the pushing which eventually turned into a mosh pit of about 4 people, while everyone else grumbled while being shoved around when they just wanted to be able to watch the freaking show. I try not to let other people ruin my experience, but it's kind of hard when there are elbows hitting you in the face every 5 seconds. I definitely had an awesome time anyway, but I could've done without those minor annoyances.
also...what was that camera crew from? they recorded the entire show, and also the line outside beforehand. hmmm...those guys were cute though, hehe
I have to say one thing...I went to the Winnipeg show, and it was the most well-behaved concert crowd I've ever witnessed. There was a small section up front where they gathered in front of the stage, and there was no moshing, just good old natural rocking out to the music. It was refreshing. I've been to many shows in Minneapolis, and have been disappointed by many people in the crowd every time. But the Winnipegians (which I assume comprised most of the crowd) were extremely focused on the show, not their antics. I can't say one negative thing about the crowd.
I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb.
I'm thinking maybe the reason you found the crowd so "well-behaved" in Winny was because it was in a theater that wasn't grossly over booked(like the Fine Line was). Have you ever attended a show at the State Theater, or Orpheum in Mpls? I'm thinking you'd find the same "well-behaved" crowd. Except of course neither of those theaters is a dump. They've had new carpeting put in at least once in the last 60 years. |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 14:28:19
quote:
Originally posted by lafemmeaffole
you're lucky if the worst thing about your part of the crowd was people going on frequent beer runs. the scene near me...oh man. I was on the verge of punching someone. there were these 2 guys (which eventually turned into about 4 or 5) arguing very loudly in between sets. this went on for about 20 minutes. I don't even remember what they were fighting about, but it included many expletives and violent threats. then there was the pushing which eventually turned into a mosh pit of about 4 people, while everyone else grumbled while being shoved around when they just wanted to be able to watch the freaking show. I try not to let other people ruin my experience, but it's kind of hard when there are elbows hitting you in the face every 5 seconds. I definitely had an awesome time anyway, but I could've done without those minor annoyances.
also...what was that camera crew from? they recorded the entire show, and also the line outside beforehand. hmmm...those guys were cute though, hehe
I have to say one thing...I went to the Winnipeg show, and it was the most well-behaved concert crowd I've ever witnessed. There was a small section up front where they gathered in front of the stage, and there was no moshing, just good old natural rocking out to the music. It was refreshing. I've been to many shows in Minneapolis, and have been disappointed by many people in the crowd every time. But the Winnipegians (which I assume comprised most of the crowd) were extremely focused on the show, not their antics. I can't say one negative thing about the crowd.
I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 07:34:12
thanks kimmy d...you are so sweet!!! Can all 'ya all be my favorites??? I try to be egalitarian but am parcial to nice fans!!! I just love you guys cuz you're cool and love the Pixies too... i have never found to many people that love the same music it's rad...ok i can't believe i just typed RAD...DUDE!!!
Honestly, Andres i wish i knew why Minny too?? Is it b/c Husker Du is from here????
I am so jealous of all the other people going to the shows!!!! I can't complain but it is nice to know that it sounds like they are rocking!!!!
It's cool that they played different songs in Winny!!! Let us know what you thought of the show if you went! It was cool reading the posts...was the atmosphere cool??? Were the fanz wild?
I can't wait 'till November!!!!! Geez...i hope i can get tickets... |
| andrescolombia |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 07:27:49
What to say... I didn't go the concert, I was out for a while, listen the congas guy for a little and went home -lets accept it- kinda sad for not be able to see them. I hope to be at Wilkins and to continue this cool forum thing!!! Not at the concert but what an experience... and FBF has done a huge part for it...
And that's so true... and we gotta do something about it... I don't know why most people is so quiet and passive at concerts in this state...
and nobody answered -that would be so perfect for Realistic's quiz- why MPLS as the place for the 1st concert????
I can't wait to take the CD over the calhound, lay down and listen to it... why not, couple times...
thanks to those supporting the Adopt a Fan idea... That trully turns us into real Pixies fans!!!
AndresCOL |
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