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| stoffaboy |
Posted - 04/16/2014 : 01:17:25
Just got hold of my indie cindy rsd vinyl ( I have my sources ) and can confirm
That it includes a 1 sided 7" called women if war , not listed to it yet but will report back later when I have !
By the way . . . It's a very nice package ! |
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| picpic |
Posted - 06/04/2014 : 00:30:31
Yeah... well, the point of a final mastering is to make a record sound good on a vast variety of systems. Definitely not the case here. (some tracks does not even sound good through headphones...).
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| Sprite |
Posted - 06/03/2014 : 04:55:49
Gil Norton told me that's exactly what they were aiming for. |
| picpic |
Posted - 06/02/2014 : 21:20:34
He's right...
Indie Cindy is a very nice demonstration about how to ruin a very nice record through overcompression.
Only advantage I can see: it sounds OK when I listen to it through my car crappy lowcost speakers. Maybe that was the objective...?
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| Discoking |
Posted - 06/02/2014 : 09:03:28
you sound bitter, helmut.
 it's educational |
| Helmut |
Posted - 06/02/2014 : 00:13:53
"Most songs I hear today are over-produced. It's all the same. It could be a Top 10 hit or a dog food commercial. I can't tell."
(Frank Black - MTV News.)
Indie Cindy anyone? I hope the next album is under produced so you can hear the songs. |
| pixie punk |
Posted - 05/30/2014 : 05:41:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H20ZBwhYQro Vinyl Unboxing Video.
PUERTO RICO PIXIE |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 05/16/2014 : 07:32:24
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite
Looks like that RDS version of the album did what it was supposed to do.
http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/77128
Best selling! Congrats Pixies!! This album is only going to go up in stature through the years. Just like Bossanova and Trompe.
My density has popped me to you. |
| Discoking |
Posted - 05/16/2014 : 03:42:03
quote:
Originally posted by Discoking
i went to a fnac store in belgium, and they didn't have the orange vinyl. just black. the orange vinyl appears to be limited to france.
it might be possible to order it online though, on fnac.com. i haven't tried that yet.
it's educational
i got the orange vinyl release!
it's for sale here, on the french site, as a fnac.com exclusive: http://musique.fnac.com/a7079892
however, i found out that you can also buy it on the belgian fnac website (which i did), but only if you set the website language to french: http://www.fr.fnac.be/a7079892
the item does not seem to exist on the dutch version of the website. very strange.
the black vinyl release is available on both versions of the site: http://www.fr.fnac.be/a7079905 and http://www.nl.fnac.be/a7079905
it's educational |
| Sprite |
Posted - 05/06/2014 : 10:48:05
Looks like that RDS version of the album did what it was supposed to do.
http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/77128
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| Discoking |
Posted - 05/04/2014 : 00:35:22
that's how my vinyl arrived: vinyl with cd inside, sealed, and the women of war 7" added to the mailer box.
everyone who ordered directly off pixiesmusic.com got that women of war 7".
weird that you go the EU release, even though you're in the US.
i have no idea if there is a US version. i would guess so, but who knows? does anyone have a US release of the LP?
it's educational |
| matto |
Posted - 05/03/2014 : 11:40:33
quote:
Originally posted by Discoking
Do all vinyl copies come with a copy of the album on cd?
Didn't someone, who bought the album on Record Store Day, say there was no cd in their copy?
Also, are all vinyl copies 45rpm (instead of the normal LP speed of 33 rpm)? And are they all heavyweight vinyl double LPs?
Or does a 1LP version at 33 rpm also exist?
I checked my copy of the LP, and Bagboy is indeed the original single version (that also appears on EP3). The cd however contains the alternate version, with less "cover your breath cover your teeth".
it's educational
Mine came in the mail today: the vinyl came with the CD inside, and the Women of War 7" was in the mailer box - I wasn't expecting that - did anyone else receive that? I ordered from pixiesmusic and not AmaZon. Also the vinyl says it was manufactured in the EU (and shipped from Carlsbad, CA). I find that odd because Amazon's selling both regular and "import" vinyl versions - are there US-made ones as well?
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| sdon |
Posted - 05/02/2014 : 23:51:37
Great version of Silver Snail and the b&w video is superb
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| TinMachine |
Posted - 05/02/2014 : 09:27:03
Nothing to do with the vinyl if I'm honest but I saw this acoustic Silver Snail on Pixies Twitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJMfmbjDenc
More confirmation that they're absolutely smashing it live right now. PL swapping the bass for a violin suggests they have the confidence to use her as more than a Kim Deal stand-in, which is positive. Wouldn't be surprised if a set-up a little more like this carries over into the next set of studio sessions.
Feels like the band's undergone a pretty substantial transformation since Indie Cindy was recorded. They seem in a really positive headspace for the most part, and I think we're on track for something great. |
| Discoking |
Posted - 05/01/2014 : 21:46:10
Do all vinyl copies come with a copy of the album on cd?
Didn't someone, who bought the album on Record Store Day, say there was no cd in their copy?
Also, are all vinyl copies 45rpm (instead of the normal LP speed of 33 rpm)? And are they all heavyweight vinyl double LPs?
Or does a 1LP version at 33 rpm also exist?
I checked my copy of the LP, and Bagboy is indeed the original single version (that also appears on EP3). The cd however contains the alternate version, with less "cover your breath cover your teeth".
it's educational |
| daswheels |
Posted - 04/30/2014 : 10:44:13
quote:
Originally posted by frankblackphx
I never received an email but I reached out to the company yesterday and they said the order shipped out yesterday.
Exact same thing happened to me, for what it's worth. They gave me a tracking number as well. |
| Sprite |
Posted - 04/30/2014 : 07:13:04
Glad to hear it worked out, sometimes these things don't and its soul destroying. |
| frankblackphx |
Posted - 04/30/2014 : 04:26:10
Thanks guys. I never received an email but I reached out to the company yesterday and they said the order shipped out yesterday. I think the company they used for the first two EP's worked smoother for me. I still went out yesterday and bought the CD at Bestbuy for $8 yesterday anyway. Need to check my account and see if the money has actually come out yet.
Religion won't save me, the damage is done. The future has ended before it's begun.
Damaged Soul - Black Sabbath
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| Discoking |
Posted - 04/30/2014 : 01:05:28
i received an email too. i ordered the same things (ep, lp, deluxe cd). and it has arrived yesterday. just picked it up from the post office. they also threw in a "women of war" single. (haven't had the time to look into it any further.)
i'm in belgium though. they probably have different parties handling the EU and the US orders.
it's educational |
| Sprite |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 13:19:00
Yes I got an Item Shipped email. Did they take your money already? |
| frankblackphx |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 13:07:45
Did everyone receive an email that your order shipped? I ordered the deluxe CD, the vinyl and the EP vinyl and have not heard a word.
Religion won't save me, the damage is done. The future has ended before it's begun.
Damaged Soul - Black Sabbath
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 07:24:31
Some of the song changes sound authentic
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| BunsenH |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 07:16:00
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
I'm listening to it now, at work (I review music for a living), and it's from different shows.
The crossfades are pretty clear. The audience cheers at the end of Bone Machine, but before the final words and right into the second song Hey.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Ah... that's a bummer... thanks for posting. |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 05:07:08
I do, however, love the songs that they choose. A great mix of obscure and new songs. No hits!
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 04:36:47
I'm listening to it now, at work (I review music for a living), and it's from different shows.
The crossfades are pretty clear. The audience cheers at the end of Bone Machine, but before the final words and right into the second song Hey.
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| Discoking |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 09:11:47
i assume the live disc has tracks from different shows.
it's in the mail, so i haven't heard it yet.
it's educational |
| TinMachine |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 08:16:30
Yeah I hope they're from the same show too - the billing as Live from the USA though would lead me to guess that they may well be from different shows.
I'd like a return to their practice of offering whole night sets to download from their website. Women of War and that KCRW set really sold me on Paz (especially her vocal on What Goes Boom) but I haven't had an opportunity to see the new line up live yet, so I'm interested in getting to grips with what the new set up sounds like.
I thought Shattuck was great when I saw her and was honestly a bit surprised when they binned her, but the new line up feels right for me. I hope they move forward as a set fourpiece and start including her in photo sets and interviews etc.
I think the more the naysayers see of Paz the more comfortable they'd be with Deal's departure - it's part of the reason why Indie Cindy's had a bit of a kicking from some online quarters, though people do increasingly seem to be coming round to it. |
| BunsenH |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 06:32:06
quote:
Originally posted by TinMachine
Not strictly related to the vinyl copy, but has anyone sat down with the live bonus tracks yet? Would appreciate any thoughts
I want to buy them - maybe from iTunes rather than shelling out for the (pretty expensive here in the UK) double disc CD. I've generally been incredibly impressed with their live versions of the EP tracks (the KCRW set oh man), so I'm pretty tempted.
I'm interested in the live stuff too. Does anyone know if the tracks come from the same show/set? If so, what date/venue?
A splattering of live tunes from various shows doesn't really turn me on that much. |
| TinMachine |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 05:53:44
Not strictly related to the vinyl copy, but has anyone sat down with the live bonus tracks yet? Would appreciate any thoughts
I want to buy them - maybe from iTunes rather than shelling out for the (pretty expensive here in the UK) double disc CD. I've generally been incredibly impressed with their live versions of the EP tracks (the KCRW set oh man), so I'm pretty tempted. |
| Discoking |
Posted - 04/27/2014 : 21:14:59
i went to a fnac store in belgium, and they didn't have the orange vinyl. just black. the orange vinyl appears to be limited to france.
it might be possible to order it online though, on fnac.com. i haven't tried that yet.
it's educational |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 04/27/2014 : 19:32:25
can any french forum member or any FNAC customer out there trade me an Orange Vinyl release for an RSD release with 7" (unopened/sealed of course)?? cause i'm a sucker for the coloured vinyl.
"Fundamentally, all writing is about the same thing; it's about dying, about the brief flicker of time we have here, and the frustration that it creates. |
| The Champ |
Posted - 04/24/2014 : 13:54:55
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by The Champ
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
As for the song, it sounds like FB B-side. It is a nice song.
Champ I'm guessing you don't realize how insulting it is to tell people who know a significant amount about recording, production, engineering, and sound that they don't understand the difference between reverb and compression. Reverb can be glorious and it has nothing to do with compression. If anyone is confused, compare Phil Spector's classic recordings to Death Magnetic. Or the new pixies. or almost anything new.
My density has popped me to you.
Just look at the file for yourself and try to keep an open mind. It is exactly like all the other songs. Same loudness, same lack of dynamic range. Everything is maxed out throughout the entire track. |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 04/24/2014 : 11:48:54
quote:
Originally posted by The Champ
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage
quote:
Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
As for the song, it sounds like FB B-side. It is a nice song.
Champ I'm guessing you don't realize how insulting it is to tell people who know a significant amount about recording, production, engineering, and sound that they don't understand the difference between reverb and compression. Reverb can be glorious and it has nothing to do with compression. If anyone is confused, compare Phil Spector's classic recordings to Death Magnetic. Or the new pixies. or almost anything new.
My density has popped me to you. |
| The Champ |
Posted - 04/24/2014 : 04:06:38
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Originally posted by billgoodman
quote:
Originally posted by The Champ
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage
quote:
Originally posted by McDutchie
And it's NOT BEEN COMPRESSED TO DEATH! What a relief!
This, wonderfully so, is true. See? That wasn't so hard was it? :)
As for the song, I'm not sold on it. It still sounds very much like a B side. I'd love to hear this recording and mastering approach with some more first rate material.
"A word to the wise is infuriating."
Um..I am looking at the wave file version of this song in Audacity and it is just as "compressed" as everything else. I am pretty sure all this talk about compression is actually a discussion about reverb.
You are probably right, but I guess the vocals are way more compressed and reverby on Indie Cindy than on this one. The mastering may be as limited and compressed as everything else. But the way the vocals sound differ a lot.
That's why people have compared this to FB & The C's, Bam Thwok or named it a b-side. It sounds rushed, it sounds live. That's probably because it was done rushed and live. I can understand why some people have a tiny problem with that. Something between this and Indie Cindy, sonically, would be perfect. Like Trompe, FB first, TOTY.
I'm totally ok with more polished productions, with more layers of guitar and vocals. But I don't appreciate the way things turned out on Indie Cindy, soundwise. Especially the vocals.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Women of War probably has less tracks as well, which makes things sound more audible. But yes, the vocals definitely have less effects on them. This makes sense, as it is probably more of a demo than the other songs. It is like Richards has said before; if you have unlimited tracks at your disposable(digital) people tend to use them. Although, I have no idea if this recording was done in digital or analogue.
Personally, I think they all sound good. More, please. |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 22:24:16
Yes, Charles writes albums, not singles.
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| Grotesque |
Posted - 04/23/2014 : 21:24:32
If you take a master and put it to vynil, you got in one hand the natural compression of the vynil, that has much less volume range than cd or 24bit audio. In the other hand you apply the natural equalisation of the vynil and make louder some medium and high medium frequencies, so you have a few new picks from these frequencies and a bit of new dynamic from those natural warm medium frequencies, that are now placed at the front row. That's basically why people prefer vynil, it's such a a cool frequency filter and a paradoxal expander, it makes it sound both warmer and punchier without being unecesseraly aggressive. Everybody likes mediums! The cassette do that too but can compress much more, as the cassette's saturation is really nice and many people record cassette too loud to avoid listening the magnetic background noise (so they use cassette's saturation to make it play louder and so add a lot of compression). That said, I find the Indy Cindy LP collection MUCH more listenable that the EPs. Some songs are not so good on EPs or singles, you feel these few songs are not enough. If you write Instant Karma or I Get Around (wich I call "world songs", as a single song can sometimes sum up all the music in the world and all the existing feelings) it can be fine, but Charles' writing is usually more appropriate on a LP. That LP tastes like a cake much too sweet, it has no moment for resting, but at least you dont feel the frustration. Maybe the EP strategy was the best decision to get the worst reviews? |
