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| IBreed |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 10:38:48
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-pixies-keep-rolling-minus-one-20131003
there you have it. pixies from here on out. pretty cool. |
| 35 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Fissile |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 03:16:43
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Originally posted by Helmut
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by Helmut
That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her.
I didn't say she's a bitter ex-junkie. I said she's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
My mistake. She's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
I reckon the Pixies are about to enter their Stones Mick Taylor period now that they are rid of their Brian Jones (who also didn't want to record at the end). Although Deal is smart enough to stay out of the swimming pool, lol.
I think you spoke too soon.
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| Helmut |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 22:25:23
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by Helmut
That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her.
I didn't say she's a bitter ex-junkie. I said she's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
My mistake. She's a bitter ex alky/junkie.
I reckon the Pixies are about to enter their Stones Mick Taylor period now that they are rid of their Brian Jones (who also didn't want to record at the end). Although Deal is smart enough to stay out of the swimming pool, lol. |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 21:28:27
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Originally posted by ChienAndalou22
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Originally posted by Jason
I still read this forum for two reasons:
1) Someone here always finds a cool new interview or Youtube clip that I would never notice on my own.
2) It helps me feel normal as someone who just really loves the music and doesn't read conspiracy into every word Frank says and doesn't get enthralled by gossip.
I'm with you on the conspiracy stuff. For all the rumours and hearsay it's still most likely that Kim left because she just didn't want to commit to new music and another tour, and that it was as amicable as it could have been between 2 people with a relationship like the one Kim and Black Francis have had.
Well said. |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 21:27:46
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Originally posted by lucmove
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Originally posted by McDutchie
So, at least three people here appear to be accusing Frank, Joey and Dave of outright lying when they said very clearly in multiple interviews that Kim left of her own volition to their great shock and dismay and that she would be welcome back any time,
It's possible.
If you believe everything that's said in interviews, fine, your choice. Life is full of choices.
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Like it's your choice to not believe it, whether it's a lame choice or not....right?
I have no reason to think the guys are lying, and though from Violet's post there seems to have been recent history of erratic behavior from KD, she was there in Wales ready to do it. But hey, she didn't want to, for whatever reason. What's the controversy and why does she need to be a crackhead/drunk to want something different than the fellas? In the case of these adults who've done this for a long long time with good success, I'll go ahead and take their word for it. I'd be wasting time and energy not to. I wish them all happiness. |
| lucmove |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 17:15:16
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Originally posted by McDutchie
So, at least three people here appear to be accusing Frank, Joey and Dave of outright lying when they said very clearly in multiple interviews that Kim left of her own volition to their great shock and dismay and that she would be welcome back any time,
It's possible.
If you believe everything that's said in interviews, fine, your choice. Life is full of choices.
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| Fissile |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 16:21:33
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Originally posted by Helmut
That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her.
I didn't say she's a bitter ex-junkie. I said she's a bitter ex alky/junkie. |
| McDutchie |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 15:58:40
So, at least three people here appear to be accusing Frank, Joey and Dave of outright lying when they said very clearly in multiple interviews that Kim left of her own volition to their great shock and dismay and that she would be welcome back any time, and the substantiation is that the Deal sisters had serious drug problems and a minor personal disagreement more than a decade ago according to some NYT "interview" hit piece that could have been written by Fissile by the tone of it. Oooookay.
Could you guys please stop being such cynical creeps, it doesn't become you and it ruins this place. |
| ChienAndalou22 |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 15:49:38
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Originally posted by Jason
I still read this forum for two reasons:
1) Someone here always finds a cool new interview or Youtube clip that I would never notice on my own.
2) It helps me feel normal as someone who just really loves the music and doesn't read conspiracy into every word Frank says and doesn't get enthralled by gossip.
I'm with you on the conspiracy stuff. For all the rumours and hearsay it's still most likely that Kim left because she just didn't want to commit to new music and another tour, and that it was as amicable as it could have been between 2 people with a relationship like the one Kim and Black Francis have had. |
| Helmut |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 15:20:54
That's interesting that Kim Deal may have been fired, or at least given an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Joey said in one recent interview that there was talk of her coming back to finish the sessions after she "quit" but it didn't happen. I reckon everyone in the Pixies camp were so sick of her that they veto'ed her coming back to finish the sessions and erased any work she'd done on the songs to ensure her royalties = zero. Fissle is right, she has become a bitter ex-junkie and Charles has finally out manouvered her. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:52:20
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Originally posted by Helmut
Charles, Joey and David are doing a large venue tour as the Pixies and in a few years may be doing stadium tours ala Foo Fighters and will probably have five new Pixies albums and millions of Pixies dollars under their belt in a decade.
Kim Deal is pushing shit up hill with The Breeders golden oldies tours to mid-sized crowds and unlikely to produce much more music over the next decade. She'll probably relapse once or twice and be unbearable to work with.
Read this 2002 interview to see how nutty she became, not even her sister wanted to know her: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/17/magazine/the-breeders-are-still-at-it.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
That's a fascinating interview. It's interesting that they mention the whacky phone messages that Kim left on producer John Agnello's answering machine. Years ago Agnello posted one of Kim's mental phone messages on his web site.
Agnello made a fun animation out of it. Really amusing. If want to see and hear it, follow these directions:
1)Create a new folder somewhere on your machine.
2)Click on each each link below, and save the respective files to the new folder you created.
3)Open the folder and double click on the file labeled "Machine". The animation will open.
4)In the animation, click "Kim Deal"
5)Enjoy some classic Kim lunacy.
http://www.dropbox.com/s/9q3jg8rthb51l7v/kimsbubble.swf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5saft8vbjqxr2m/machine.swf |
| Fissile |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:27:30
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Originally posted by McDutchie
Oh, please. Come off it. Kim D just didn't like the new music (as Kelley said) and with her mother having Alzheimer's she probably wasn't up to doing yet another harrowing tour schedule either. Those new solo singles tell me all I need to know -- she's just in a completely different emotional space at this point.
And she's not talking because nothing good could possibly come from talking. Why would she want to?
Taking care of her mother? How does she do that? Calling the nursing service from her hotel room in Lower Slobovia while on tour with the the Breeders? Were the Pixies considering doing a tour from a country with no phone service? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 10:22:10
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Originally posted by hammerhands
You're both applying Occam's razor. It's just one of you is a jerk.
Jerk? I'd be really upset to find out you weren't referring to me. |
| lucmove |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 09:46:02
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Originally posted by Fissile
Funny, but I think Thompson out-maneuvered Deal this time. He patiently waited her out until whatever goodwill she had with the fan base was depleted. When the balance tipped in his favor, he called her bluff. She probably thought that her departure was going to be the end of the Pixies, or any new version of the Pixies would end in failure. Well, the Pixies continue. Not only are they continuing, but new Pixies is drawing larger audiences than old Breeders...(old Breeders...ha, I kill myself). She's not talking now, because she realizes that she lost this hand, and probably the game.
Your theory is better, of course. Most of mine was tongue in cheek. Speaking seriously, I suspect she's been fired, and she's not talking about it because she doesn't like public exposure anyway. She's spoken in the past, but quite little IMO.
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| hammerhands |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 07:49:17
You're both applying Occam's razor. It's just one of you is a jerk. |
| McDutchie |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 06:52:49
Oh, please. Come off it. Kim D just didn't like the new music (as Kelley said) and with her mother having Alzheimer's she probably wasn't up to doing yet another harrowing tour schedule either. Those new solo singles tell me all I need to know -- she's just in a completely different emotional space at this point.
And she's not talking because nothing good could possibly come from talking. Why would she want to? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 04:20:24
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Originally posted by lucmove
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Originally posted by Fissile
Kim D. just couldn't let the bad old feelings go. It's interesting that this time around, she's the one that refuses to say anything to the press about the Pixies, a complete reversal of what happened after the original break up.
Hey, Maybe she was bribed.
Charles:
"Look, Kimmy, here is the deal... Hehehe, see what I did there? Anyway, I'm really sick of your shit. I don't like you and you don't like me, so what do you say you get the hell out of MY BAND pronto? Also, you always made me look like an asshole to the world, so let's switch places now. I say you just left because heck if I know, then I might say something midly unflattering about you once in a while but nothing much, and you just shut the hell up forever. Here, take this hush money."
Kim:
"Cool! Bye, asshole. Oh. By the way, you suck."
Joey and David:
"Yay! We can finally move on! Money well spent, Charlie."
Charles:
"So where were we? Oh, sure. Yeah, no more solo career for me. No, siree. It's just Me and The Pixies from now on."
...
Why not? They're all rich anyway, and still have god-knows-how-many dates ahead of them to make even more money.
I've seen several backstage Hollywood stories that make this theory sound like a fairy tale. And whenever there is a new movie to promote, they will say the most wonderful things about each other in those things called interviews. It's showbiz, lads and chicks. All showbiz...
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Funny, but I think Thompson out-maneuvered Deal this time. He patiently waited her out until whatever goodwill she had with the fan base was depleted. When the balance tipped in his favor, he called her bluff. She probably thought that her departure was going to be the end of the Pixies, or any new version of the Pixies would end in failure. Well, the Pixies continue. Not only are they continuing, but new Pixies is drawing larger audiences than old Breeders...(old Breeders...ha, I kill myself). She's not talking now, because she realizes that she lost this hand, and probably the game. |
| Jason |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 21:56:10
I still read this forum for two reasons:
1) Someone here always finds a cool new interview or Youtube clip that I would never notice on my own.
2) It helps me feel normal as someone who just really loves the music and doesn't read conspiracy into every word Frank says and doesn't get enthralled by gossip. |
| danjersey |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 21:39:58
this guys ability to converse, even interrupt his own songs while keeping time baffled me.
not a Pixie thing, It's a solo Frank Black thing. so long Frank
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| Helmut |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 19:12:42
Charles, Joey and David are doing a large venue tour as the Pixies and in a few years may be doing stadium tours ala Foo Fighters and will probably have five new Pixies albums and millions of Pixies dollars under their belt in a decade.
Kim Deal is pushing shit up hill with The Breeders golden oldies tours to mid-sized crowds and unlikely to produce much more music over the next decade. She'll probably relapse once or twice and be unbearable to work with.
Read this 2002 interview to see how nutty she became, not even her sister wanted to know her: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/17/magazine/the-breeders-are-still-at-it.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm |
| lucmove |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 18:49:11
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Originally posted by Fissile
Kim D. just couldn't let the bad old feelings go. It's interesting that this time around, she's the one that refuses to say anything to the press about the Pixies, a complete reversal of what happened after the original break up.
Hey, Maybe she was bribed.
Charles:
"Look, Kimmy, here is the deal... Hehehe, see what I did there? Anyway, I'm really sick of your shit. I don't like you and you don't like me, so what do you say you get the hell out of MY BAND pronto? Also, you always made me look like an asshole to the world, so let's switch places now. I say you just left because heck if I know, then I might say something midly unflattering about you once in a while but nothing much, and you just shut the hell up forever. Here, take this hush money."
Kim:
"Cool! Bye, asshole. Oh. By the way, you suck."
Joey and David:
"Yay! We can finally move on! Money well spent, Charlie."
Charles:
"So where were we? Oh, sure. Yeah, no more solo career for me. No, siree. It's just Me and The Pixies from now on."
...
Why not? They're all rich anyway, and still have god-knows-how-many dates ahead of them to make even more money.
I've seen several backstage Hollywood stories that make this theory sound like a fairy tale. And whenever there is a new movie to promote, they will say the most wonderful things about each other in those things called interviews. It's showbiz, lads and chicks. All showbiz...
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| floop |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 17:47:31
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Originally posted by Jason
Frank IS very fond of the solo acoustic live performance. Been doing them for twenty-five years. My guess is that we'll see that continue.
agree
 green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 15:43:59
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Originally posted by natenate101
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Originally posted by simibaby
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW. "Pixies" = MONEY for Frankie. That's ok
It certainly does, but it could also mean enjoying a wider appreciation of his talents, happiness in general at doing Pixies, positivity gained from being inspired, working with an inspired grouping of individuals, simplicity in terms of touring/recording, fulfillment of a dream long thought lost, a desire to reach more people, etc....doesn't seem like it's all about money, though surely it's a large factor.
Yeah, I agree. I don't think they NEED the money at this point. The reunion grossed something like $65 million since 2004. I'm sure all four are now comfortably well off. I think that Dave, Joe and Charles are trying for something new without the pressure of making money, which means they are now closer creatively to where they were in 1986 than they've ever been during the reunion.
Kim D. just couldn't let the bad old feelings go. It's interesting that this time around, she's the one that refuses to say anything to the press about the Pixies, a complete reversal of what happened after the original break up. |
| Jason |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 09:42:57
Frank IS very fond of the solo acoustic live performance. Been doing them for twenty-five years. My guess is that we'll see that continue.
In any case, I think Sam above summed up best what this news means:
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Originally posted by Sam
"well they call me the snake"
I guess the Pixies is all he can see in front of him at the minute.
I like the fact he is fully committed to the Pixies 2.0.
The man will always make music i think.
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 00:24:31
There will be more Frank Black I'm sure. Because otherwise we'll never hear Robert Onion and Headache again. :(
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| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 13:49:38
All I know is, the 2013 Pixies sure as hell love them some fucking Ribcage.
Dial 1-888-RIB-CAGE for your free Bag Boy instruction manual. |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 13:06:20
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Originally posted by lucmove
Bullshit.
He just said that so everyone will hopefully give up on the idea that this is "just a bad phase" and thus will embrace that which he wants to sell now. Like a phone manufacturer that releases a 64 GB tablet and doesn't want to talk about the 128 GB model they will be releasing next year, because they want you to buy both.
Just wait and watch: Frank Black will be back.
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I think I disagree with a few parts of this but like your spirit here. Not writing a direct response here, just using your quote to springboard - don't take it personally please.
To piggyback off OLDMANOTY, a lot of people have thought various (or all) phases of his career since Doolittle have been "just a bad phase," while those of us (not speaking for you, just me) who have carried the flame and his livelihood, loved everything or at least been intrigued enough to keep listening through the years, see this as volume 27 or whatever of a series that will only end when Charles decides it's over. It's all part of a whole.
Who gives a shit what he calls it, it's just him writing music. Most of it is awesome to me, but depending on who you talk to, he has spent 24 years either toiling in the depths of crap (which he hasn't - FB&C is my favorite ever) or peddling some of the most entertaining and interesting music of our times.
I guess what I'm trying to say is he can call it "Pixies" or he can call it "Dick Munch and the Spread-Eagle Roast Beef Curtains of Eternity" and I would listen and probably love it regardless.
Unfortunately for him, the wider world (beyond this forum and other hard core fans) doesn't give a shit unless it has that "Pixies" label attached to it. I don't know if that's his motivation or not, but it seems logical. But surely I would think someone of his legendary stature in music and pop culture wouldn't need to listen to mine and others' public hobby writings for career advice, motivation, muse, or influence.
Let him do what he needs to do to find success and have his music heard.
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 12:31:12
Bullshit.
He just said that so everyone will hopefully give up on the idea that this is "just a bad phase" and thus will embrace that which he wants to sell now. Like a phone manufacturer that releases a 64 GB tablet and doesn't want to talk about the 128 GB model they will be releasing next year, because they want you to buy both.
Just wait and watch: Frank Black will be back.
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| OLDMANOTY |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 10:16:55
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Originally posted by McDutchie
The Catholics was Frank Black solo with a named backing band, though. They never limited him in terms of style or exploration, he was all over the place with them. Pixies are a limiting mould (or "a special flavored pizza" in Joey's words). If it doesn't sound Pixies-like, Pixies fans are gonna hate it.
For some the new stuff doesn't sound Pixies-like, and they do hate it. BF can't do right for wrong, but I think that's always been the case with his solo stuff too; loads were let down by COR after TOTY, plenty didn't get The Catholics, more still couldn't stomach Honeycomb/FMRM etc etc. It's a little part of what makes him great, constantly wrong-footing his audience and critics alike. It must be completely bewildering for the casual Pixies fan dipping a toe in the ocean (see what I did there? ) of his back catalogue.
If it's just Pixies from now on, I have a feeling that he'll continue to surprise/excite/disappoint/confuse just as always. He's already done it with ep-1.
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| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/05/2013 : 02:28:06
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Originally posted by vilainde
Still, I hope he releases the second Paley & Francis record if it exists. The first one wasn't bad at all (in terms of songwriting I mean)
Obsidiana Bijoux
I'd be down with that. I didn't care for the first one until I saw him live with Paley. Paley was killer and the material together was great. I "got it" then. Paley was one cool cat live too. Great voice, and definitely more than a passing sonic resemblance to Tom Waits (a good thing).
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| McDutchie |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 23:53:08
The Catholics was Frank Black solo with a named backing band, though. They never limited him in terms of style or exploration, he was all over the place with them. Pixies are a limiting mould (or "a special flavored pizza" in Joey's words). If it doesn't sound Pixies-like, Pixies fans are gonna hate it. |
| vilainde |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 22:08:24
Well he didn't do any other stuff while he was with the Catholics and nobody complained. I'm OK with the idea. Still, I hope he releases the second Paley & Francis record if it exists. The first one wasn't bad at all (in terms of songwriting I mean)
Denis
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 19:27:40
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Originally posted by McDutchie
My dream at the moment: some Pixies-flavoured TOTY or Bluefinger.
Hear! Hear!
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| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 16:18:08
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Originally posted by natenate101
quote:
Originally posted by simibaby
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW. "Pixies" = MONEY for Frankie. That's ok
It certainly does, but it could also mean enjoying a wider appreciation of his talents, happiness in general at doing Pixies, positivity gained from being inspired, working with an inspired grouping of individuals, simplicity in terms of touring/recording, fulfillment of a dream long thought lost, a desire to reach more people, etc....doesn't seem like it's all about money, though surely it's a large factor.
Well put.
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| natenate101 |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 15:45:35
quote:
Originally posted by simibaby
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW. "Pixies" = MONEY for Frankie. That's ok
It certainly does, but it could also mean enjoying a wider appreciation of his talents, happiness in general at doing Pixies, positivity gained from being inspired, working with an inspired grouping of individuals, simplicity in terms of touring/recording, fulfillment of a dream long thought lost, a desire to reach more people, etc....doesn't seem like it's all about money, though surely it's a large factor. |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/04/2013 : 15:17:54
I'll buy and listen to anything he chooses to do. I might get restless as a fan if enough time goes by without something that really blows me away, but regardless I'm there for sure. The new stuff is great... a little personal... I like it. It's all Black to me anyway.
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