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| benji |
Posted - 09/02/2013 : 20:56:37
http://www.pixiesmusic.com/ep1-row/
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4-TRACK EP
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(5,000 copies worldwide)
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Tracklisting:
- Andro Queen
- Another Toe In The Ocean
- Indie Cindy
- What Goes Boom
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| 1965 |
Posted - 11/18/2013 : 11:03:58
quote:
Originally posted by OLDMANOTY
Ep-1 flows better, and makes more sense to me in this order (Bagboy included).
Bagboy
Indie Cindy
Andro Queen
What Goes Boom
Another Toe
...practically half a 'new album' there already!
Re Vamos: Eh?
I like this sequence, works well!
But I also like Bagboy first followed by Andro Ocean Cindy Boom [EP1 as released]
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| shineoftheever |
Posted - 11/16/2013 : 20:40:08
i don't want to read 10 pages.
did anybody point out the fact that the EP1 track listing is alphabetical? now we for sure know it was the REAL pixies that recorded this recording.
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| natenate101 |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 13:26:53
quote:
Originally posted by sdon
I don't value it much individually, but I actually like Silver as part of the album (even more since they played it live during the Doolittle tour), for its weird harmonies and as a respiration before Gouge Away
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Same here, as comedown track at the end of the album, it works for me. Alone, not so sire. |
| sdon |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 09:20:20
I don't value it much individually, but I actually like Silver as part of the album (even more since they played it live during the Doolittle tour), for its weird harmonies and as a respiration before Gouge Away
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/03/2013 : 07:55:53
OK, there is something odd about my MP3 collection. "Vamos" sounds exactly the same in my Come On Pilgrim and Surfer Rosa folders. I checked and found out it is not... erm, correct. Maybe I replaced one with the other so long ago that I don't remember it. I know myself and I know that I may have done something like that, because I prefer the Surfer Rosa version.
I found the original "Vamos" in an outtakes folder and made the proper comparison. Yes, they are different. Sorry.
I also keep "Silver" in the outtakes folder. It belongs there.
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| pixie punk |
Posted - 10/02/2013 : 06:16:27
quote:
Originally posted by pixie punk
quote:
Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by lucmove
Of course villainde is joking, but billgoodman, are you serious? I am pretty sure it's the exact same recording. It sounds marginally better on Surfer Rosa, like a teeny bit clearer, or louder, or less 'muffled'. But the exact same session, I say.
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wow. don't know what to say.
if you threw the Pilgrim version on Surfer Rosa it would stick out like a sore thumb, sonically. they clearly belong to the sessions they recorded each album in
just from memory (not breaking out cd): the Pilgrim version starts out with a slightly slower tempo. his acoustic guitar sounds way different in the intro, more beefy and more prominent. his screams in the middle are completely different. also cow sounds are only on the Pilgrim one, right? i'm willing to bet the lengths are different
i'm sure if you listen to both back to back you could easily pick out a list of difference but i'm on the commode 2:55 Pilgrim 4:19 Surfer Rosa versions approximately (from Youtube Videos).
 green star member since 2006. smb?
PUERTO RICO PIXIE
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/the_classic_albums_pixies_surfer_rosa.html Here Joey Explained Everything about Surfer Rosa including the spliced guitar solos put together for the new version of Vamos that Albini suggested.
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| pixie punk |
Posted - 10/02/2013 : 06:05:40
quote:
Originally posted by floop
quote:
Originally posted by lucmove
Of course villainde is joking, but billgoodman, are you serious? I am pretty sure it's the exact same recording. It sounds marginally better on Surfer Rosa, like a teeny bit clearer, or louder, or less 'muffled'. But the exact same session, I say.
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wow. don't know what to say.
if you threw the Pilgrim version on Surfer Rosa it would stick out like a sore thumb, sonically. they clearly belong to the sessions they recorded each album in
just from memory (not breaking out cd): the Pilgrim version starts out with a slightly slower tempo. his acoustic guitar sounds way different in the intro, more beefy and more prominent. his screams in the middle are completely different. also cow sounds are only on the Pilgrim one, right? i'm willing to bet the lengths are different
i'm sure if you listen to both back to back you could easily pick out a list of difference but i'm on the commode 2:55 Pilgrim 4:19 Surfer Rosa versions approximately (from Youtube Videos).
green star member since 2006. smb?
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| OLDMANOTY |
Posted - 10/02/2013 : 05:56:50
Ep-1 flows better, and makes more sense to me in this order (Bagboy included).
Bagboy
Indie Cindy
Andro Queen
What Goes Boom
Another Toe
...practically half a 'new album' there already!
Re Vamos: Eh? |
| floop |
Posted - 10/02/2013 : 05:52:42
quote:
Originally posted by lucmove
Of course villainde is joking, but billgoodman, are you serious? I am pretty sure it's the exact same recording. It sounds marginally better on Surfer Rosa, like a teeny bit clearer, or louder, or less 'muffled'. But the exact same session, I say.
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wow. don't know what to say.
if you threw the Pilgrim version on Surfer Rosa it would stick out like a sore thumb, sonically. they clearly belong to the sessions they recorded each album in
just from memory (not breaking out cd): the Pilgrim version starts out with a slightly slower tempo. his acoustic guitar sounds way different in the intro, more beefy and more prominent. his screams in the middle are completely different. also cow sounds are only on the Pilgrim one, right? i'm willing to bet the lengths are different
i'm sure if you listen to both back to back you could easily pick out a list of difference but i'm on the commode
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| shineoftheever |
Posted - 10/01/2013 : 22:31:40
quote:
Originally posted by Jason
In one of the new interviews, Frank said something great. He said that he likes it when people argue over his music. He thinks that's a good thing--and I do, too. And I think that's a very wise position for a musician to take.
When people all over are arguing about your music, that means it's vital. When no one's arguing about it, that means nobody cares.
Also, I think Frank accepts that his music is, at heart, of "cult" appeal and he's a cult figure with a cult following (in the case of the Pixies, it's a big cult, but a cult nonetheless). And music/movies/books like that are typically born in controversy and maybe live forever in controversy. And that's not a bad thing. And I think Frank gets that and even enjoys that, which he should. I enjoy it, too, just as a fan.
maybe charles will take on a donnie darko personality - silly rabbit.
actually i agree 100% jason; i think he's given up over-analysing it yonks ago and frankly never gave a shit whether or not his work was accepted. if he is one thing it is uncompromising - the man does what he wants and the uber fan eats it up while others may fall to the wayside, we'll say "they don't get it" and it might matter to us that pitchfork scores it a 1 but really, it don't mean shit. he exists for us. and if we all stopped listening; well i like to believe he'll take up a trade and continue playing christmass concerts for his grandchildren...but we all know that will never happen (us stopping listening that is)
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| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 10/01/2013 : 20:35:38
quote:
Originally posted by lucmove
Of course villainde is joking, but billgoodman, are you serious? I am pretty sure it's the exact same recording. It sounds marginally better on Surfer Rosa, like a teeny bit clearer, or louder, or less 'muffled'. But the exact same session, I say.
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Good god... Are you serious? The two Vamos takes in question are not even close. Are you trolling or what man?
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| lucmove |
Posted - 10/01/2013 : 19:40:17
Of course villainde is joking, but billgoodman, are you serious? I am pretty sure it's the exact same recording. It sounds marginally better on Surfer Rosa, like a teeny bit clearer, or louder, or less 'muffled'. But the exact same session, I say.
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 09/30/2013 : 08:10:26
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Identical?? You never quite 'got' the Pixies, did you?
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
Won't call them identical, but I don't really see the point of re-recording it in the first place. I like Surfer Rosa's best, but it's not like they really play it in another arrangement.
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| Brank_Flack |
Posted - 09/30/2013 : 06:19:46
I've actually changed my mind on the production and think a very good job has been done on it. It balances a dreamy sheen and spiky roughness very well. Plus, all the instruments are given room to breath. Sure live What Goes Boom might rock harder, but the recorded version has an otherworldy bossanova-esque feel. I hope they stick with Gil. |
| vilainde |
Posted - 09/30/2013 : 06:18:02
Identical?? You never quite 'got' the Pixies, did you?
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux |
| lucmove |
Posted - 09/30/2013 : 06:15:17
quote:
Originally posted by Classic Masher
Maybe these EP's will be like a bunch of Come On Pilgrims and they'll release an album with re-recorded songs from them and some new ones (like they did with Surfer Rosa).
I don't know what you mean. Only "Vamos" is both in Come On Pilgrim and Surfer Rosa, and it's identical.
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 09/30/2013 : 03:05:57
I hope they bang out new new songs. Never been a fan of re-recording.
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| Classic Masher |
Posted - 09/30/2013 : 02:28:03
quote:
Originally posted by Grotesque
It's really strange to be forced to listen to the live versions of these new songs to feel their true nature and emotion. Especially indie cindy and what goes boom, i feel i really discovered them with the live versions. Indie Cindy's chorus got some kind of sadness you really dont hear on the studio version. And the crazy rocknroll aspect of what goes boom is not on the ep version neither. It's like the difference between fresh and frozen! The shape is there, not the taste. I guess the important thing is that underneath the ice, the good song are there! It makes me think to the Gun Club's Miami. Dig for fire (of love)!
I agree. I kind of hope, if they ever decide to do an album, they go into the studio with Kim S and re-record Andro Queen, Indie Cindy and What Goes Boom. Maybe these EP's will be like a bunch of Come On Pilgrims and they'll release an album with re-recorded songs from them and some new ones (like they did with Surfer Rosa).
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| Jason |
Posted - 09/30/2013 : 01:30:41
In one of the new interviews, Frank said something great. He said that he likes it when people argue over his music. He thinks that's a good thing--and I do, too. And I think that's a very wise position for a musician to take.
When people all over are arguing about your music, that means it's vital. When no one's arguing about it, that means nobody cares.
Also, I think Frank accepts that his music is, at heart, of "cult" appeal and he's a cult figure with a cult following (in the case of the Pixies, it's a big cult, but a cult nonetheless). And music/movies/books like that are typically born in controversy and maybe live forever in controversy. And that's not a bad thing. And I think Frank gets that and even enjoys that, which he should. I enjoy it, too, just as a fan. |
| Grotesque |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 22:20:45
It's really strange to be forced to listen to the live versions of these new songs to feel their true nature and emotion. Especially indie cindy and what goes boom, i feel i really discovered them with the live versions. Indie Cindy's chorus got some kind of sadness you really dont hear on the studio version. And the crazy rocknroll aspect of what goes boom is not on the ep version neither. It's like the difference between fresh and frozen! The shape is there, not the taste. I guess the important thing is that underneath the ice, the good song are there! It makes me think to the Gun Club's Miami. Dig for fire (of love)! |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 20:35:44
I understand Lucmove if we're talking Side A, but to me Side B sounds like Dinosaur Jr, MBV and GBV sound on their reunion albums:
slightly different, but still like themselves.
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| natenate101 |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 19:47:21
quote:
Originally posted by IBreed
new while also capturing the spirit of the band.
the best of EP1 does the very same thing (indie cindy, what goes boom).
Completely agree. |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 19:41:32
quote:
Originally posted by bedrock_barney
Just a quick post to state that I still would only rate EP1 as 'ok'.
Not all long term fans are convinced that this is the second coming.
We are all entitled to our opinions and no-one is right or wrong.
Typing 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' after someone's post is truly immature.
Wait, so his post that I quoted was a "mature" one, or one that deserved a "mature" response? Nah, don't think so.
If someone doesn't like it, fine. If someone loves it, cool. For me, it's decent enough. Some posters and the posting styles are just irritating, simple as that. |
| lucmove |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 16:38:06
quote:
Originally posted by sdon
...So lucmove I think you're right to be left disappointed with EP1, but I can't understand your constant pot-like moaning about the songs themselves.
You can't understand? I can explain.
First, it's not really "constant." I just criticized it three or four times. The first one out of the need to express my view. The other times, in reply to what someone else said that made me feel compelled to comment. This time, for example, I decided it was time to express my frustration at this recurrent notion that people who don't like EP1 wanted to travel back in time to 1991 and stay there forever so to speak. I think it's a little insulting. I felt like complaining about that before, several days before, but I bit my tongue until today.
Second, there are people here extolling the album rather "constantly." Why is that OK and criticizing not OK? Because it's a fan forum? But I am complaining because I am a fan. If I weren't a fan, I wouldn't even be here. You won't see me writing happy or unhappy words on the Metallica fan forum. I don't care about Metallica, they could release 5 albums at the same time or just simply drop dead, it doesn't make any difference to me. Fans care.
quote:
Originally posted by sdon
Greens And Blues, Silver Snail, or even Big New Prinz are more than honorable additions to the Pixies legacy, they're bringing something new.
Makes sense, but please see my reply above to Stevio10. I don't even enjoy live performances very much if it's not actually live (not even then sometimes), and all videos I have seen of the songs you mention are unquestionably amateur. Sorry if this offends anyone, but I think the sound quality is awful. It's better than nothing for those of us who aren't in the US or UK and hardly ever get a chance to witness those performances, but it's not good enough for me to judge the quality of unreleased songs.
I have recorded audio and/or videos of a few performances I saw live (no one famous, mind you) and I always end up throwing the recording away because it sounds awful. I have used several smartphone models (Nokia N900 was the best one) and a Tascam audio recorder. Mobile phones distort the sound, and the Tascam recorder captures way too much, even people whispering 30 feet away from the microphone. so... You know what I mean. Let's wait for the official releases.
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| lucmove |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 16:36:50
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Originally posted by Stevio10
Forgive me if you feel any of my previous posts were aimed at yourself lucmove, certainly not my intention.
That's OK. I meant you, but not only you. Several other fellow forum members have been arguing that those who dislike EP1 wanted the Pixies to come up with some kind of "imitation of themselves." That is dismissive and quite short-sighted IMO.
I am looking forward to seeing them live somehow. So far I've only seen amateur recordings, which are okay for a glimpse of the legendary Pixies, but useless for me to judge their real sound. Even professional equipment can hardly do justice to live performances, let alone someone with a smartphone in the audience. For this reason, I don't think I even have any live album in my entire music collection. Let me see... Hmmm... Well, okay, I have a few more than I thought, including The Pixies live in Minneapolis, 13 April 2004. But I never listen to any of those. I don't like recorded live performances.
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| IBreed |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 14:09:37
just to make a tangential point off luc's post: mbv, while started in 97, had something like 80 percent of its work completed in the past two years, as per mr. shields himself. so, for all intents and purposes, it's a new work. it's also fucking awesome, and you're so right, new while also capturing the spirit of the band.
the best of EP1 does the very same thing (indie cindy, what goes boom). |
| shineoftheever |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 14:06:44
still waiting for my copy...
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| sdon |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 13:39:19
I liked new m b v a lot, fuck yeah, and I liked EP1, but I think the songs on EP1 are better live than how they were recorded (except Bagboy which is not as rich and accurate live)
Even Toe which is boring on EP1 kinda attracts me live. Boom is 10% faster than the recorded version, and it's crucial. Cindy at iTunes Festival was one of the best songs of the night. Andro Queen in Paris was just night and day compared to EP1. So lucmove I think you're right to be left disappointed with EP1, but I can't understand your constant pot-like moaning about the songs themselves. Greens And Blues, Silver Snail, or even Big New Prinz are more than honorable additions to the Pixies legacy, they're bringing something new. Norton was important because he put them on the right track. Not sure he wasn't the one who made the bad production decisions... but he at least allowed to a certain extent that things got moving again.
I'm confident in the future.
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| hammerhands |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 11:59:21
There's right, wrong and douche. |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 11:55:06
Forgive me if you feel any of my previous posts were aimed at yourself lucmove, certainly not my intention. I do agree with a lot of what you have said in previous posts and certainly cannot doubt your passion for music.
To elaborate on my previous post, I feel the reunion shows were all fine and well, in 2004 I was ecstatic to see the Pixies. I saw them twice and they were very good. But there wasnt really an element of risk, it was a time for them to revel in the limelight in front of a huge fanbase. The only thing they had to prove was that they could still play the songs and they did that very well.
With the reunion over so to speak and KD leaving theres only 2 options - go on or quit. Continuing with a replacement member and new material is a huge risk. It would seem an easier decision from my viewpoint if they were to quit. In my opinion if they only release 1 good song out of 50 that is 1 more good song I could only have dreamed of in 2004.
As for the rabid dog thing, I had just listened to the BBC6 radio performance and was hugely impressed by the energy - it gave me the impression of a band reinvigorated and how they are now shaping their sound based on a new energy and determination to do what they want by breaking free of the shackles of their owners (legacy).
Of course these are just my thoughts - to me they are right! Just as everyone else believes their opinions to be the most valid. I cannot say your opinion is wrong lucmove, and nor would I want to - I hope EP2 will be better for you. |
| McDutchie |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 11:00:51
I don't disagree with the previous post. But recent live performances of the new songs sound very much more "Pixies-like", BF's got fire in his underbelly and you can actually hear Joey and David play. All that is drowned in reverb on the studio EP. I think the Pixies should ditch Gil and start to record live to two-track like the Catholics did. |
| lucmove |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 10:27:06
My post annoyed someone. Fine.
I am also sick of seeing some of you say -- over and over and over -- that EP1 is disliked by people who want nothing but The Olde Pixies of Yore, that we're nostalgic, that we can't move forward...
Man, that's high grade bullshit. I've been looking for music that moves forward for more than 30 years. That's exactly what I liked about the Pixies and many periods of the solo Frank Black era. That's what excites me. I think Frank Black evolved very, very well. The Breeders evolved very, very well. The Pixies are failing at that.
That's even worse for me, due to comparisons. MBV came back with a great album this year and some here shot it down as nostalgic. Bullshit. It totally sounds like MBV and that is A Good Thing®. It is supposed to sound like MBV. The album is considerably different from all the previous ones, and at the same time it still has the trademark MBV character. That is a step forward, and it's a good step forward because the album sounds good. I know it's old, it's been kept in storage for decades, but damn it, it still beats the hell out of 99.5% of everything we see in music nowadays. It doesn't matter that it's old, it matters that it sounds good.
Medicine also came back with a great album this year. That one sounds considerably different from all the previous ones, and at the same time it still has the trademark Medicine character, in quite a different flavor even. That is evolution. That is a step forward, and it's a good step forward because the album sounds good.
I still have to listen to Bowie's new album. I listened to one song only and I found it so so.
The problem with EP1 is that it completely lacks the Pixies character. The only recognizable thing about it is Charles's voice, and he doesn't sound very good. Black Francis is cocky, edgy, even youthful. He was all these things in Bluefinger. On EP1, Black Francis is boring, trite, unimpressive. David and Joey don't even seem to be there. I surely can't recognize them. And the whole thing sounds so so. So so is bad when the act is the Pixies. So many fantastic acts have released a bad record once in a while, why can't the Pixies, especially in light of the long hiatus and disagreements among the members? Why can't the Pixies disappoint? They can and they did. And this isn't the first time, although it is the first time for me.
If you like it, fine, enjoy it, but stop trying to make people look like nostalgic fools for not liking it. We may be excessively demanding, but we are not fools.
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| IBreed |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 10:02:44
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
I think luc took personally a comment that wasn't destined to him. What I was talking about earlier was the people who hate the band because Kim Deal is out. That to me is bullshit. You're perfectly allowed to dislike EP1 because yeah, it's different than the original Pixies output. But don't tell me the band is irrelevant because they lost a member, cause that just makes no sense.
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
agreed. not to feed into this increasingly idiotic cycle, but being the positivity police isn't in any less irritating than someone airing a histrionic complaint. they're two sides of the same lame, oversized novelty coin.
'd also offer that people who crusade in the name of this EP "(you just don't like it cause it's *different!!!!*") are as deluded as people who say "no deal!" to any music not featuring Kim.
both situations are equally deserving of critique, positive and negative, but being an extremist is lame and boring. especially on a discussion forum.
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 02:47:44
Even if it's Kim Deal. Still makes no sense.
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| vilainde |
Posted - 09/29/2013 : 02:43:34
I think luc took personally a comment that wasn't destined to him. What I was talking about earlier was the people who hate the band because Kim Deal is out. That to me is bullshit. You're perfectly allowed to dislike EP1 because yeah, it's different than the original Pixies output. But don't tell me the band is irrelevant because they lost a member, cause that just makes no sense.
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