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| pixie punk |
Posted - 12/28/2012 : 01:53:27
http://thebreederslsxx.com/
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| Fissile |
Posted - 01/07/2013 : 03:55:52
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Originally posted by Jason
Am I the only person whose mental image of Fissle is Mark David Chapman?
Please, I'm way past that.
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| Jason |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 18:33:38
Am I the only person whose mental image of Fissle is Mark David Chapman? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 14:44:20
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
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Originally posted by The Maharal
Can't we talk about the Breeders website? I like the fonts.
No, we must also discuss the financial merits of Kim not inviting Tanya Donelly or Britt Walford, while speculating wildly about their current economic circumstances. (j/k)
If she was going to tour Pod, I would expect her to call Donelly and Walford. |
| Chris Knight |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 14:17:55
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Originally posted by The Maharal
Can't we talk about the Breeders website? I like the fonts.
No, we must also discuss the financial merits of Kim not inviting Tanya Donelly or Britt Walford, while speculating wildly about their current economic circumstances. (j/k) |
| The Maharal |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 13:51:45
Why is this being argued...
Frank Black when he was known as that was getting by alright. He didn't seem to be on the poverty line nor was he mega-rich. By all accounts he enjoyed the Catholics tours lugging around black boxes, going from town to town like a drifter.
He seemingly united Pixies again because he felt like it and was in the enviable position of being able to get rich and provide a comfortable living for his family. Nothing wrong with that in the slightest - it's commendable. If I was in that position - i.e. I was given the option to reform and become a millionaire - then I'd take it too.
Is the issue down to Fissile's suggestion that Thompson plays his fans for chumps? That's bullshit. Half the time he spoke the media jumped to conclusions and announced a new album was on the way. He tried to get a new album going (see the demos for The Water, Gynashwar) but it didn't happen. And he's continued touring since. And so what? He's still making solid to very good solo albums (solid: NSE; very good: Bluefinger, Golem) and despite the recent lull he churns them out at a prolific rate that not many other artists can manage. If you don't like his "half-assed solo work" or the way Pixies continue to tour then why are you even on this board? Plenty of people enjoy the Pixies tours (thousands of kids look forward to seeing them and hell I travelled to Germany just to witness their live act) and a lot of people still enjoy his solo stuff.
So what gives?
The way I see it he can do what he bloody hell wants. You make it sound like a conspiracy or some shite.
Can't we talk about the Breeders website? I like the fonts.
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| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 13:19:14
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Originally posted by floop
you said it was a "fact" that he would have to get a day job if it weren't for Pixies. without actually knowing how much money he's made, makes, has invested etc.. seems like you can't say that as "fact".
there are people who raise families and have a place to live who work as janitors and ditch diggers. you don't think a musician of his caliber, and with his touring schedule, was making enough money to make a living? I'm not actually asking you, because I know you have some weird agenda or whatever. just pointing out how ridiculous what you're saying is.
you never answered my question about why you spend so much time on a discussion forum for someone you don't like. why do you?
it seems a bit pathetic. you know what I mean?
 green star member since 2006. smb?
I'm trying to convince you that Thompson reunited the Pixies for money and no other reason. For some reason you refuse to believe this. Just because a band is constantly touring doesn't mean they are making a lot of money. Back in the day L7 toured continuously, but never made much money at it. Skip forward to 2:34 and see what Donita has to say about it. L7 Interview
Know how much money the Pixies made opening for U2? $750 per show. They played about 30 shows with U2. Assuming that they had zero expenses, and the money was split equally among band members, each received about $5,600 for the U2 tour. Not a lot of money...now or then. Keep in mind that U2 was one of the top grossing acts of the time and they were paying their opening act peanuts. |
| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 12:44:43
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by floop
Do you have access to Mr Thompsons bank records?
green star member since 2006. smb?
Do you? I'm guessing you don't. You also don't seem to have access to apostrophes. All you need is an understanding of how the music business works to know that he didn't make much money with his solo career. The Pixies reunion has been a straight up money grab. Nothing wrong with that. They did a lot of work, and deserve to get paid. What I object to is the sleazy way he generates hype by suggesting there will be new Pixies when he has no intention of doing so. Kim said the same thing in an interview a few years back.
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She tells Pitchfork, "I think it gets talked about whenever Charles (Black's real name) has any release, which is often. I have a feeling that's when he talks about it more than anything.
I'm typing on an iPhone. generally when I read this forum I'm taking a shit
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| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 12:38:11
you said it was a "fact" that he would have to get a day job if it weren't for Pixies. without actually knowing how much money he's made, makes, has invested etc.. seems like you can't say that as "fact".
there are people who raise families and have a place to live who work as janitors and ditch diggers. you don't think a musician of his caliber, and with his touring schedule, was making enough money to make a living? I'm not actually asking you, because I know you have some weird agenda or whatever. just pointing out how ridiculous what you're saying is.
you never answered my question about why you spend so much time on a discussion forum for someone you don't like. why do you?
it seems a bit pathetic. you know what I mean?
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| matto |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 12:36:24
fissle i share your pessimism but you assume too much. you will never know what lives others lead. not with internet 'sleuthing'. you will never, ever know.
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| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 12:28:38
quote:
Originally posted by floop
Do you have access to Mr Thompsons bank records?
green star member since 2006. smb?
Do you? I'm guessing you don't. You also don't seem to have access to apostrophes. All you need is an understanding of how the music business works to know that he didn't make much money with his solo career. The Pixies reunion has been a straight up money grab. Nothing wrong with that. They did a lot of work, and deserve to get paid. What I object to is the sleazy way he generates hype by suggesting there will be new Pixies when he has no intention of doing so. Kim said the same thing in an interview a few years back.
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She tells Pitchfork, "I think it gets talked about whenever Charles (Black's real name) has any release, which is often. I have a feeling that's when he talks about it more than anything.
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| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 12:21:40
no, Chris, he was not doing fine. he was doing horribly. I heard he used to hoard ketchup and mustard packets from Arby's to ease the hunger pangs between gigs, which, if he was playing a small supper club, was the the only time he got a square meal
I bet when Thompson, Deal, Santiago and Lovering got their first reunion checks they all went to Spago and ordered a bottle of cristal to propose a toast to all the chump fans who were dumb enough to enable their lifestyles
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| Chris Knight |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 12:14:10
Ok, maybe I'll read those later, but a top-10 band's opinions about the industry don't change the reality that FB was doing fine before the Pixies reunion. |
| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 12:00:22
Do you have access to Mr Thompsons bank records?
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 11:39:23
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by floop
i did read what you wrote. according to you, "Thompson" was essentially destitute before reforming the Pixies. close to being on welfare even. he had to reform Pixies to start a family. also he thinks we're all chumps
why do you spend so much time on a fan site of people you appear to dislike? that would be like me spending time on a Fissile discussion group
green star member since 2006. smb?
I didn't say he was "destitute", it was Dave who was destitute....with Joe not far behind. Fact is that Thompson WOULD NOT be able to support his current life style, without resorting to a day job, had he not reunited the Pixies.
so you have access to Thompsons bank records? are you his accountant?
green star member since 2006. smb?
Did you read the two links that I posted above? Maybe you believe that the financial realities of the music business don't apply to Thompson? |
| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 11:23:25
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Originally posted by Fissile
quote:
Originally posted by floop
i did read what you wrote. according to you, "Thompson" was essentially destitute before reforming the Pixies. close to being on welfare even. he had to reform Pixies to start a family. also he thinks we're all chumps
why do you spend so much time on a fan site of people you appear to dislike? that would be like me spending time on a Fissile discussion group
green star member since 2006. smb?
I didn't say he was "destitute", it was Dave who was destitute....with Joe not far behind. Fact is that Thompson WOULD NOT be able to support his current life style, without resorting to a day job, had he not reunited the Pixies.
so you have access to Thompsons bank records? are you his accountant?
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 11:10:45
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Originally posted by Grotesque
It's sad that thinking of needing some money to start a family (or afford some health treatment, or pay my children's education). I use to hear it only from people from the USA (in such a tough no-mercy society) but it is becoming an european thing too with the crisis (i begin to hear "i cant afford some children", things like that, especially in Spain for the moment). The strangest thing is that in south america they just dont care about it, they'll have 4 children without thinking much about what they're gonna eat. So the real sentance is "i need more money so my children will have more chances than the others". That's where we're all going to. Egoism. Money. Yeah, rock'n'roll baby!
It's the way life is in the United States, the destitute and homeless routinely freeze to death. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:46:05
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
Fissile, I watched the Catholics play in a 125000 pop town at a 300 capacity venue every year for 3-4 years in a row. Every time, sold out.
In 2002, FB appeared on the CBS Late Late Show promoting Black Letter Days. Does this sound like a guy that was struggling to meet ends meet, or who was just doing music as a hobby? There are quite a few bands who never make it on tv and still make a decent living from touring.
If you were to say that FB's records after the Catholics never sold more than 25k, I might believe you, even though it seems you're just speculating. Last Splash may have went platinum, but you make significantly less money per unit sold on a major label. After The Cult of Ray, FB was on indie labels exclusively, owned his own masters, and made records that weren't particularly difficult to recoup. Meanwhile, Kim made like 2 albums (if you include the Amps) which didn't do nearly as well as her big hit.
All of that is beside the point though...a new Pixies album wouldn't be any better than Frank's "half assed" solo efforts. It's not 1989 anymore, the guy has moved on.
EDIT: Ha, Maharal you're probably right.
Last Splash sold a total 2.5 million units worldwide , that's a very good showing, far, far better than anything Thompson managed.
As for how much money can be had in indy music, please read Grizzly Bear Indie-Rock Royalty And then have a look at this: Music Industry Math
ETA: You are correct, Kim's projects after Last Splash didn't make her any money, and she squandered a lot of her Last Splash earnings when her life spiraled out control from drug addiction and alcoholism, but she still had a fair amount left and didn't need the cash the way the boys needed the cash. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:38:45
quote:
Originally posted by floop
i did read what you wrote. according to you, "Thompson" was essentially destitute before reforming the Pixies. close to being on welfare even. he had to reform Pixies to start a family. also he thinks we're all chumps
why do you spend so much time on a fan site of people you appear to dislike? that would be like me spending time on a Fissile discussion group
green star member since 2006. smb?
I didn't say he was "destitute", it was Dave who was destitute....with Joe not far behind. Fact is that Thompson WOULD NOT be able to support his current life style, without resorting to a day job, had he not reunited the Pixies. |
| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:15:42
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Knight
Fissile, I watched the Catholics play in a 125000 pop town at a 300 capacity venue every year for 3-4 years in a row. Every time, sold out.
In 2002, FB appeared on the CBS Late Late Show promoting Black Letter Days. Does this sound like a guy that was struggling to meet ends meet, or who was just doing music as a hobby? There are quite a few bands who never make it on tv and still make a decent living from touring.
If you were to say that FB's records after the Catholics never sold more than 25k, I might believe you, even though it seems you're just speculating. Last Splash may have went platinum, but you make significantly less money per unit sold on a major label. After The Cult of Ray, FB was on indie labels exclusively, owned his own masters, and made records that weren't particularly difficult to recoup. Meanwhile, Kim made like 2 albums (if you include the Amps) which didn't do nearly as well as her big hit.
All of that is beside the point though...a new Pixies album wouldn't be any better than Frank's "half assed" solo efforts. It's not 1989 anymore, the guy has moved on.
EDIT: Ha, Maharal you're probably right.
i was there
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Grotesque |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:10:44
It's sad that thinking of needing some money to start a family (or afford some health treatment, or pay my children's education). I use to hear it only from people from the USA (in such a tough no-mercy society) but it is becoming an european thing too with the crisis (i begin to hear "i cant afford some children", things like that, especially in Spain for the moment). The strangest thing is that in south america they just dont care about it, they'll have 4 children without thinking much about what they're gonna eat. So the real sentance is "i need more money so my children will have more chances than the others". That's where we're all going to. Egoism. Money. Yeah, rock'n'roll baby! |
| Chris Knight |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:08:55
Fissile, I watched the Catholics play in a 125000 pop town at a 300 capacity venue every year for 3-4 years in a row. Every time, sold out.
In 2002, FB appeared on the CBS Late Late Show promoting Black Letter Days. Does this sound like a guy that was struggling to meet ends meet, or who was just doing music as a hobby? There are quite a few bands who never make it on tv and still make a decent living from touring.
If you were to say that FB's records after the Catholics never sold more than 25k, I might believe you, even though it seems you're just speculating. Last Splash may have went platinum, but you make significantly less money per unit sold on a major label. After The Cult of Ray, FB was on indie labels exclusively, owned his own masters, and made records that weren't particularly difficult to recoup. Meanwhile, Kim made like 2 albums (if you include the Amps) which didn't do nearly as well as her big hit.
All of that is beside the point though...a new Pixies album wouldn't be any better than Frank's "half assed" solo efforts. It's not 1989 anymore, the guy has moved on.
EDIT: Ha, Maharal you're probably right. |
| The Maharal |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:06:12
Every thread now seems to descend into this silly bickering... Need a Fissile Vs. The World one set up somewhere. |
| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 10:02:59
i did read what you wrote. according to you, "Thompson" was essentially destitute before reforming the Pixies. close to being on welfare even. he had to reform Pixies to start a family. also he thinks we're all chumps
why do you spend so much time on a fan site of people you appear to dislike? that would be like me spending time on a Fissile discussion group
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 09:27:39
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by floop
i really hope you end up winning Fissile. you've put a lot of energy into this no new Pixies album argument
green star member since 2006. smb?
It's not a question of "winning".
Since the Pixies reunited, I've been looking forward to a new album. Instead Thompson has been playing his fans for chumps. He suggests....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.....there will be new Pixies and it turns out be some half-assed solo thing. He's milking the nostalgia for all it's worth, so he can continue to pursue his hobbies without getting a day job.
Like I said, I can't see how there will be any new Pixies this year if Kim is out doing a LSXX tour.
so by your logic the only reason Frank's solo career kept him afloat was because he occasionally hinted that Pixies would get back together? if he hadn't, by your logic, no one would have bought his cd's or seen him play live otherwise?
that's pretty ridiculous. i'm not as obsessed about speculating into their personal lives as you but if i had to bet money i would guess that Frank was plenty financially stable before the reunion. of course the reunion was about money to some degree. that's a moot point.
your accusations are just ridiculous though. playing his fans for chumps. i honestly wonder how and why you are so bitter about all this, like 10 years too late. the time to discuss all this stuff so passionately was back in the early 2000's. where were you then Fissile? on a discussion board arguing about the Clash reforming?
green star member since 2006. smb?
Go back and read what I wrote again. What I said was that Thompson reunited the Pixies after his solo career flamed-out. He's been keeping the reunion going ever since by hinting at new Pixies material.
As for money, the only one who was reasonably financially secure back in 2004, was Kim. Last Splash sold more than the entire Pixies catalog and Frank Black solo CDs COMBINED. She also made a big pile of money after The Prodigy sampled one of her songs for their song, Firestarter. Thompson put the Pixies back together because he needed the money to start a family.
Prodigy Firestarter |
| floop |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 09:11:45
quote:
Originally posted by Fissile
quote:
Originally posted by floop
i really hope you end up winning Fissile. you've put a lot of energy into this no new Pixies album argument
green star member since 2006. smb?
It's not a question of "winning".
Since the Pixies reunited, I've been looking forward to a new album. Instead Thompson has been playing his fans for chumps. He suggests....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.....there will be new Pixies and it turns out be some half-assed solo thing. He's milking the nostalgia for all it's worth, so he can continue to pursue his hobbies without getting a day job.
Like I said, I can't see how there will be any new Pixies this year if Kim is out doing a LSXX tour.
so by your logic the only reason Frank's solo career kept him afloat was because he occasionally hinted that Pixies would get back together? if he hadn't, by your logic, no one would have bought his cd's or seen him play live otherwise?
that's pretty ridiculous. i'm not as obsessed about speculating into their personal lives as you but if i had to bet money i would guess that Frank was plenty financially stable before the reunion. of course the reunion was about money to some degree. that's a moot point.
your accusations are just ridiculous though. playing his fans for chumps. i honestly wonder how and why you are so bitter about all this, like 10 years too late. the time to discuss all this stuff so passionately was back in the early 2000's. where were you then Fissile? on a discussion board arguing about the Clash reforming?
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 01/06/2013 : 07:30:37
I'm pretty sure that FB once said in an interview that The Catholics records sold enough to keep on rolling. He was no millionaire back then of course.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| hammerhands |
Posted - 01/05/2013 : 16:10:36
Do they do nothing for you? They do something for me. You suck. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/05/2013 : 14:59:23
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Originally posted by Chris Knight
Charles recorded and toured a new release nearly every year for like, 2 decades, and you're telling me he's just "pursuing his hobbies"? Are you for real?
How about raising a family...is that also a hobby?
Back on subject...I'm majorly excited about the Last Splash reunion (though a Pod or Amps reunion would be just as good). I couldn't care less about a new Pixies album...the chemistry just isn't there, or it would've happened by now.
How much money did his solo career make? I don't think a single of his solo CDs sold more than 25K copies. 4AD dropped him after his second solo album. What did Nonstop Erotic sell? You know that was a money losing proposition. Before he reunited the Pixies he was playing solo shows in supper clubs where most of the diners didn't even know who he was. He admitted in more than one interview that he reunited the Pixies for the money. It is now a familiar pattern. He puts together a Pixies tour then puts out another solo CD that does nothing, then he does another Pixies tour and other solo CD........
Hobby: A diversion that occupies one's time and thoughts (usually pleasantly and without monetary gain). |
| Chris Knight |
Posted - 01/05/2013 : 14:23:04
Charles recorded and toured a new release nearly every year for like, 2 decades, and you're telling me he's just "pursuing his hobbies"? Are you for real?
How about raising a family...is that also a hobby?
Back on subject...I'm majorly excited about the Last Splash reunion (though a Pod or Amps reunion would be just as good). I couldn't care less about a new Pixies album...the chemistry just isn't there, or it would've happened by now. |
| hammerhands |
Posted - 01/05/2013 : 14:00:19
I don't think he ever suggested there was a new album. He kept saying, no. You suck. |
| pixie punk |
Posted - 01/05/2013 : 12:33:59
http://kimdealmusic.com
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| Fissile |
Posted - 01/04/2013 : 08:32:43
quote:
Originally posted by floop
i really hope you end up winning Fissile. you've put a lot of energy into this no new Pixies album argument
green star member since 2006. smb?
It's not a question of "winning".
Since the Pixies reunited, I've been looking forward to a new album. Instead Thompson has been playing his fans for chumps. He suggests....nudge, nudge, wink, wink.....there will be new Pixies and it turns out be some half-assed solo thing. He's milking the nostalgia for all it's worth, so he can continue to pursue his hobbies without getting a day job.
Like I said, I can't see how there will be any new Pixies this year if Kim is out doing a LSXX tour. |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 01/03/2013 : 23:43:11
Have you ever been to a breeders concert, Fissile? There's not really that much effort put into it. That's part of the charm, if you ask me.
They just show up and play. I guess they only need to rehearse for some weeks and then go on tour. Guess a manager takes care of the organizing and playing. Not there's much to organize. I have seen them going on stage, line-check and play the concert. Not even a soundcheck. No lights, no choreography, no gazillion guitars, no tuning, just playing.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| floop |
Posted - 01/02/2013 : 10:12:34
i really hope you end up winning Fissile. you've put a lot of energy into this no new Pixies album argument
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/01/2013 : 04:35:02
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Originally posted by pixie punk
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPRRPc2H47I
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Interesting, thanks for posting.
I believe that's more evidence weighing against new a new Pixies CD. Breeders are going out this summer, and they've already started preparing. It takes a tremendous amount of preparation work to do such a thing. Planning, organizing, rehearsing, it takes a lot of time. I can't see how she could be involved in new Pixies AND a Breeders project simultaneously. I gonna bet that if Thompson put out anything this spring, it'll be anther solo project. |
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