| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| kottke |
Posted - 02/10/2004 : 17:19:31
Fiddley poo about this best of compilation CD. If you're a big fan you already have all their albums anyway.
What are the chances of a NEW album from them? Too much work? Too risky to tarnish their legacy? Too much hassle of arguing musicians?
Whaddayathink?
"jugando en la playa" |
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| Nightsoil |
Posted - 06/16/2004 : 06:47:27
quote:
Originally posted by kottke
If the Pixies released new material, I would rather it sounded like a relative of Gigantic than Tony's Theme.
"jugando en la playa"
Turned out to be prophetic, did that.
I agree, It'd be good to hear how they rock out now, but I want to hear how the older Frank/Kim write, and how the band arrange what they do now.
I think what Tony had was the humour and I'm sure that's still there. |
| Mad Lucas |
Posted - 06/16/2004 : 03:29:30
looks like the chances are getting better now!
Jesus was a sailor, when we walked upon the water. |
| thecomeons |
Posted - 03/03/2004 : 14:10:31
i am sure they will record. if they get a buzz playing together, fb will have no problems suggesting songs they could arrange together. just like the old days.
what's gonna interest me is if they decide to record live onto 2-track dat like the catholics, or do it traditionally.
i doubt the bits of trompe le monde that weren't released would be worth listening to. in those day fb came up with chords and very little else. i got the impression that the vocals were recorded under pressure at the same time as norton was mixing the backing. anything left off the album is probably just shitty chord-progressions that didn't inspire them enough at the time.
i mean why split subbacultcha into two songs?
i'm still in two minds as to whether i want to see them again or not. sure, i'll buy any records they put out. especially if the tracks are recorded on the road - the here comes your man (4ad uk version) b-sides are still awesome. the last time i saw the pixies was at their last gig in the mean fiddler. it was great. i'm not sure i fancy seeing four middleaged people playing their greatest hits for money and then deciding if it's worth milking it for more by releasing another album (whether it be new stuff or unreleased stuff or whatever) or finding they like playing together (if they don't already) and ...
am i being cynical again?
i loved the band to death. i produced four issues of a fanzine on them. i turned it into a website. if i start to get excited, i will want to do another issue of the fanzine. i will want to make sure the website is updated (i can't even remember usernames and passwords to the places i uploaded the site to). i will not be driven crazy by a rock band again!!!
my manta is a ray |
| axel |
Posted - 03/01/2004 : 03:50:03
I'm pretty sure that unless they start arguing again, they're gonna make an new album. And it's gonna be excellent. |
| porkbone1 |
Posted - 02/29/2004 : 09:43:00
All Frank Black fans know that he writes songs at an unbelievable pace, apparently while on tour at the same time. Like someone else said here, you get a group of musicians/songwriters in a room together and those unfinished ideas might just start poppin'!
Am I concerned about the Pixies legacy? Not at all. For some reason this reunion doesn't seem like the other reunions... many bands have reunited after many years and the reaction was, "they must need the money." I just don't get that vibe with the Pixies. Frank said, "everything felt completely comfortable, and it was like the last eleven years had never happened..."
We will see when they take the stage in April, but my guess is that there will be a new song...and by the quality of that song we will have our answers about the Pixies "legacy". |
| VoVat |
Posted - 02/27/2004 : 12:55:31
So what's the relationship between "the Source" and "the horse's mouth"? Did this guy have a horse's mouth surgically attached to his face?
Join the Culf of Buttoms / Just in time for the Poxies reunion! |
| Itchload |
Posted - 02/26/2004 : 18:59:45
I met "the Source" once. He was this extremely large guy with a handlebar mustache and a skin tight white t-shirt with the words "Soy Source" written on it in magic marker. Real sonovabitch if i recall. Obscene even. Yet, he does what he does. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/26/2004 : 13:32:43
They're guessing!!!
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
| kottke |
Posted - 02/25/2004 : 19:32:17
It's always amusing when they say "the source". Who the hell is that?
"He bought me a soda" |
| Kirk |
Posted - 02/25/2004 : 15:50:44
My guess...
The Pixies will release a 3-disc album at the end of this year. Frank must have a sh*tload of unfinished Pixie-ideas
              ...though he loved to rock and roll... |
| VoVat |
Posted - 02/25/2004 : 15:26:03
"Distinct Possibility." Hmm...maybe that can be the title.
Join the Culf of Buttoms / Just in time for the Poxies reunion! |
| kottke |
Posted - 02/25/2004 : 15:03:01
"Earlier this week, MTV quoted an unnamed spokesman for the band who confirmed that the Pixies are to reform for a series of live dates in April 2004. The source added that a subsequent album was also a distinct possibility. As yet, there is no word as to whether the band will perform in the UK."
This quote is from the UK paper the Guardian from moths ago. Mmm. Distinct possibility.
"He bought me a soda" |
| VoVat |
Posted - 02/21/2004 : 19:33:10
Yeah, but as long as it's good music and sells a lot, who cares what the critics think? That's not to say that I wouldn't be apprehensive about it. IF it's good, though, I don't much care if it's the same as their old stuff.
Join the Culf of Buttoms / And never let old typos be forgotten. |
| kottke |
Posted - 02/21/2004 : 19:00:55
I would be more excited about a pixies album than any other new album in the last decade, but it's so damn risky to do for them. So many people would compare the "new" pixies to the "old" pixies, which would be unfortunate. If the pixies held the same values as 10 years ago, they would not care about this, of course.
"He bought me a soda" |
| yarbles |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 16:03:15
You know, if the tour goes well ( and I mean for the 4 members of the Pixies - if they all have a blast doing it - I am possitive it will do excellent as far as ticket sales and customer satisfaction go.) then by all means they should put out records and go on other tours. That doesn't mean the catholics or the breeders would stop, it's just instead of two catholics records a year, there'd be a pixies and a catholics, and if Ms. Deal feels like it, throw a breeders record on top of all that. It's really up to them, and I think they would go about it in a more normal way, they don't go around thinking of themselves as legends and worry about ruining their own legacy. |
| flim flam |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 14:42:37
If Charles really feels like he can get back into the Pixies songwriting mindset then great, but if not then he should just keep recording with the Catholics. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 10:53:39
quote:
Originally posted by kottke
I admire the artists who grow and evolve in a way that they have multiple followings. Some people like their old stuff, other people like their new stuff, some like both, some like neither.
I just saw Sting in Los Angeles. His Police stuff compared to his solo stuff is pretty different, but regardless, he has been extrememly successful for 25 years. And because he morphed, he is not a 50 year old still shaking his ass around in front of teenagers. Even Wacko Jacko still sells tons of copies when he releases a new album. And though he will never come close to Thriller again at over 50 million copies, should he have stopped making music after that album? He's a musician. It's what he wants to do (among other things).
Surfer Rosa was Kurt Cobain's favorite album of all time. Should the Pixies have stopped recording new albums after their second album based on what certain fans thought? Becuase in Kurt's opinion, they did not create anything as great as their second album.
Our personal opinion of someone's crap is someone else's favorite music. That's why I believe legacies are a made up and subjective term. My dad has left a legacy for me, but chances are that you have no idea what it is and have never heard of my dad.
Ah, philosophy. Isn't it grand?
"He bought me a soda"
Go on then........Who's you're daddy!?!?!? 
Lo! I have become death!
Stealer of pie!!! |
| Douglas |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 06:50:09
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I should think that all of us here are painfully aware that popularity is about the worst measure of worth one could apply to music.
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
Yeah, I agree, but I think his point was that many Pixies fans him included finds Frank's new stuff boring and therefore a new album in that fashion would be considered a disappointment.
But then I think also a lot of pixies fans have yet to discover much of Frank's solo music, me included. |
| taxman75 |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 01:53:59
>quote billgoodman
>
>Like micheal jackson sung: You are not alone, ohhhh!
>no it's an interesting theory, but you need to figure out that
>there were 2 years between trompe and FB. He could have easily
>write more material in that period and scrapped the whole covers thing
>
It's a possibility, certainly.
But 2 years is not how long he would have had. _Trompe Le Monde_ was released in October 91 [making it one of the great October albums], and _Frank Black_ was released in March 93. That would give him about a year and a half... except that he would have been on full-time touring till April 92 with the Pixies. Unless he was writing on the road (which, admittedly, I think he mighten'd have, given how fast those initial albums came out), that would give him about 11 months from writing to having the new album on the shelf to buy. Chances are, that album was finished by the end of 1992, release dates being tailored by the record company and such. Which, granted, is STILL plenty of time for a songwriter of his efficacy. And within a year of that he'd be slapping out a double album, so his pen definitely wasn't dry at that point. But _Frank Black_ just feels so much more Pixie-ish than _Teenager Of The Year_, even though those two albums are only a year apart.
Wow, this is really pointless conjecture. All the more so because it's a question that any clerk at the 4ad vault could go find out. Basically, there may be nothing to this, the only songs are the ones that got released. But there may be a Pixies recording of (most of) _Frank Black_ on the Trompe session tapes - which I would be plenty happy with! - and their COULD be the demoes of the other half of _Trompe Le Monde_ laying on there.
Well, as Ivo said in the MOJO article: "all of _Trompe Le Monde_, unless it was old material, was written at the 11th hour." That would be more in line with the idea that, at 15 songs, he just Stopped.
But of course, we KNOW they have a Pixies recording of that long instrumental in there (unless some lackey taped over it). And that just leaves the door open to ask, What Else?
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 02/20/2004 : 00:31:36
quote:
Originally posted by taxman75
>begeegs sayeth:
>
>I think that it would be a big mistake to record a new song let alone a new album,
>unless it was done in the Police format and re-recording a different version of an
>existing song (Don't Stand So Close to Me).
>
I have Always absolutely *DREAMED* that Pixies would go back and re-record the eponymous _Frank Black_ album: the songs are truly Pixies songs, just produced and played wierd (interesting nonetheless, but all too counterfeit-feeling).
_Trompe Le Monde_ was a projected double album, then suddenly it's a single album and Black Francis's "covers album" turns into just 1 cover and the rest all original material... you do the math. It's always haunted me. I think Mr. Black saw the writing on the wall and purposely kept the better, radio-friendly songs off of _Trompe Le Monde_ so he could have them for his big debut. I've seen this actually documented for one of the songs, that long instrumental off of the "Hang On To Your Ego" single. Somewhere in the 4ad vaults would even be the old Trompe demoes of this and more... [And why keep Joey around early on, unless Joey had already set-up guitar parts for some of the songs...?]
It would be divine to hear the Pixies clench into "Los Angeles" right through to "Don't Ya Rile 'Em." Alas... it'll never happen. It would require more "living in the past" than any of the four of them could probably stomach.
Sigh.........
Logan
PS: I am alone in this theory, damnit?
Like micheal jackson sung: You are not alone, ohhhh!
no it's an interesting theory, but you need to figure out that there were 2 years between trompe and FB. He could have easily write more material in that period and scrapped the whole covers thing
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
| kottke |
Posted - 02/19/2004 : 14:50:13
I admire the artists who grow and evolve in a way that they have multiple followings. Some people like their old stuff, other people like their new stuff, some like both, some like neither.
I just saw Sting in Los Angeles. His Police stuff compared to his solo stuff is pretty different, but regardless, he has been extrememly successful for 25 years. And because he morphed, he is not a 50 year old still shaking his ass around in front of teenagers. Even Wacko Jacko still sells tons of copies when he releases a new album. And though he will never come close to Thriller again at over 50 million copies, should he have stopped making music after that album? He's a musician. It's what he wants to do (among other things).
Surfer Rosa was Kurt Cobain's favorite album of all time. Should the Pixies have stopped recording new albums after their second album based on what certain fans thought? Becuase in Kurt's opinion, they did not create anything as great as their second album.
Our personal opinion of someone's crap is someone else's favorite music. That's why I believe legacies are a made up and subjective term. My dad has left a legacy for me, but chances are that you have no idea what it is and have never heard of my dad.
Ah, philosophy. Isn't it grand?
"He bought me a soda" |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/19/2004 : 10:48:47
Damn the edit option!!! 
Lo! I have become death!
Stealer of pie!!! |
| Itchload |
Posted - 02/18/2004 : 22:34:32
I think legacies are very important. That's not to say an artist should worry about his/her legacy every time they record a new album. As long as they stay true to the music, a legacy will be kept in tack..but--my example:
What do you guys think of when you hear "Rod Stewart" and "Phil Collins" and "Michael Jackson". You probably think "shit"
Yet all those guys recorded a lot of great music before they massacred their legacy with years of absolute crap. Yeah, I know some of you might still listen to Thriller or The Faces, but don't tell me those artists/albums haven't been severely tarnished. (I also realease Jacko's tarnishing hasn't been completely due to poor music as well..)
And yes--clearly a new Pixies album wouldn't ruin Frank Black, but if he were to say record 20 years worth of numbing mainstream artistically bankrupt stuff under the guise of the Pixies, then it just might for some people.
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| darwin |
Posted - 02/18/2004 : 20:55:31
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
quote:
Originally posted by mattb
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Wouldn't a 360 put you right back where you were?
You're not going to get much support slanging on Frank Black's solo albums on a Frank Black forum.
LOL, my mistake I meant 180 obviously.
You're right I won't get much support so I'll stop here. I like this board, I was just stating my opinion and didn't mean to start a war. It'll be pointless discussing this.
You put 180 in the first place. The guy who corrected you didn't read it properly. 
Nope, it was editted (as it says at the bottom). No big deal, but "the guy" read it properly. |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 02/18/2004 : 20:53:05
They would sound fuckin' COOL unplugged. That's what they would sound like. Granted, anything they'd do I would say is cool. 
"And her head has no room." |
| kottke |
Posted - 02/18/2004 : 20:34:45
I always wondered what the Pixies would sound like unplugged.
"He bought me a soda" |
| Jamie |
Posted - 02/17/2004 : 16:11:17
I would like a surf-y album, as that seems to be the least represented Pixies sound |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 20:43:13
Didn't Oddballs have a lot of covers on it?
"And her head has no room." |
| VoVat |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 18:50:33
quote:
_Trompe Le Monde_ was a projected double album, then suddenly it's a single album and Black Francis's "covers album" turns into just 1 cover and the rest all original material... you do the math.
Wasn't there talk of SMYT being an album of covers, too? Maybe someday Frank will actually put out that cover album he keeps talking about.
-Nathan
And how does lemur's skin reflect the sea?
http://vovat.blogspot.com/ |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 07:07:37
quote:
Originally posted by mattb
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
Wouldn't a 360 put you right back where you were?
You're not going to get much support slanging on Frank Black's solo albums on a Frank Black forum.
LOL, my mistake I meant 180 obviously.
You're right I won't get much support so I'll stop here. I like this board, I was just stating my opinion and didn't mean to start a war. It'll be pointless discussing this.
You put 180 in the first place. The guy who corrected you didn't read it properly. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 07:06:16
quote:
Originally posted by mdisanto
am i the only one here who doesnt really like gigantic that much. i mean its ok but its one of the few songs i skip more often than n ot
-miked
It's one of my favourites. It's got a big, big chorus!!! |
| taxman75 |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 05:33:41
>begeegs sayeth:
>
>I think that it would be a big mistake to record a new song let alone a new album,
>unless it was done in the Police format and re-recording a different version of an
>existing song (Don't Stand So Close to Me).
>
I have Always absolutely *DREAMED* that Pixies would go back and re-record the eponymous _Frank Black_ album: the songs are truly Pixies songs, just produced and played wierd (interesting nonetheless, but all too counterfeit-feeling).
_Trompe Le Monde_ was a projected double album, then suddenly it's a single album and Black Francis's "covers album" turns into just 1 cover and the rest all original material... you do the math. It's always haunted me. I think Mr. Black saw the writing on the wall and purposely kept the better, radio-friendly songs off of _Trompe Le Monde_ so he could have them for his big debut. I've seen this actually documented for one of the songs, that long instrumental off of the "Hang On To Your Ego" single. Somewhere in the 4ad vaults would even be the old Trompe demoes of this and more... [And why keep Joey around early on, unless Joey had already set-up guitar parts for some of the songs...?]
It would be divine to hear the Pixies clench into "Los Angeles" right through to "Don't Ya Rile 'Em." Alas... it'll never happen. It would require more "living in the past" than any of the four of them could probably stomach.
Sigh.........
Logan
PS: I am alone in this theory, damnit?
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| Picapiedra |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 21:24:31
quote:
Originally posted by bug
IF they do a new album I'd hope it was because they felt that they had something new and interesting to put out and not because of pressure from record companies, the press or even the fans.
Under those circumstances the album should be a killer - they're still creating great music individually - FB especially has hit a rich seam of fantastic songs these last couple of years and Title TK wasn't too shabby either.
I agree. If all 4 members want to record again and they feel that they have something to contribute and can give 110% like they were "kids" again, then HELL YEAH! Make a new album. I'll buy it. But don't do it out of preasure (be it from fans, record companies, finances, press, or what not). And none of this "who will be the creative force", "who's style is pointing in what direction now", "how good are they now compared to then", "it's gotta be new", "it's gotta be the same". Take that bold step if they feel it. And if not, I'm happy with what they are already doing and have done. And if a new album stinks, no harm done, it's not going to mess up any of the previous works. If anything, you might end up reconsidering one of those previous works that just never quite sat right with you. I did the same thing with Return of the Jedi after Episodes I & II sucked so bad. But they never messed up Empire Strikes Back.
-roger.
"Drug run'n on this Panamanian schooner." |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 20:37:49
well i think that being in a band the energy and creativity comes from playing together, and since theyve not done that for a number of years until recently, who knows how its going! Sure they must have lots of ideas and energy going around in many different directions and no one knows really how it sounds besides them. I do think though, that if it were to happen, hypothetically, it would...happen :) hehe, one day at a time. |
| IceCream |
Posted - 02/14/2004 : 13:38:18
Wow, Captain Maximus. Your reply was only 6 seconds after mine. Is that a new record? |
