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| natenate101 |
Posted - 08/28/2024 : 15:10:14
Kim’s first sold album out in November. Some tracks produced by Steve Albini are part of the collection. Looking forward to hearing it.
https://pitchfork.com/news/the-breeders-kim-deal-announces-debut-solo-album-shares-new-song-listen/ |
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| Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo |
Posted - 12/12/2024 : 04:13:23
The Kim Deal album is outstanding. I can listen to it 3 times in a row, and more if I had the occasion. The latest Breeders album was boring (appart from the song sung by Josephine Wiggs) but this one is better than anything she produced before and yes... far better than the latest Pixies productions, I'm afraid.
++++ |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 11/29/2024 : 02:45:53
You should, amazing songs on all those post-Title TK records.
To me Kim never really takes any chances. Which is ok. I like her style.
The new one sounds fresher than anything she did post Pacer.
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| Jamie |
Posted - 11/28/2024 : 00:57:54
I like the Breeders, but it's more on par with lower tier Frank Black for me. The kind of thing I enjoy for a while then pretty much never feel the need to revisit. Though honestly and in fairness, I haven't really given anything post-Title TK much of a chance. |
| Mad Lucas |
Posted - 11/28/2024 : 00:24:40
My top 5 of Kim's output would be:
Pod
Title TK
Last Splash
All Nerve
Pacer
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| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/27/2024 : 09:26:05
Yeah I'd say very few of Kim's discs / songs do the "grower" thing - pretty much feel the same after decades
Frank's of course are the epitome of "meh" --> "cool" --> "amazing" --> "one of my favorites" |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 11/27/2024 : 08:58:26
They all sound the same, for sure!
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| Troubles A Foot |
Posted - 11/27/2024 : 07:57:52
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
Kim is awesome but nobody will mistake Title TK, Mountain Battles, All Nerve or even Pacer for Pod or Last Splash
I only got into Kim's music recently and those all seem the same to me. In fact I think Pod is my least favorite. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/27/2024 : 07:01:03
Me too, Christmas came early for sure. Two absolutely fantastic albums that I can't stop listening to from start to finish.
And with solo FBF shows on the horizon, this is probably the best time to be a Frank fan since when I was seeing him in the 90s |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 11/27/2024 : 05:36:33
Kim is awesome but nobody will mistake Title TK, Mountain Battles, All Nerve or even Pacer for Pod or Last Splash
She's a lot cooler than Frank and Pixies nowadays
But she suffers from the same unfair competition with her own magical classics
It's all ok. I'm happy they are still releasing great records.
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| Skatealex1 |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 21:41:22
To be clear I do appreciate that Frank Black releases so much music. I still look forward to his work. Even Pixies albums that some might rate lower I still find songs I like in it.
I don't think maybe a bit of a different approach could hurt tho if they ever wanted to try that, whether that be marinating songs a little more or getting a more indie producer on board, etc. |
| Mad Lucas |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 11:52:25
Ingratitude personified |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 07:05:50
quote:
Originally posted by Skatealex1
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
Here is a question I find interesting hypothetically speaking
Would you guys trade in 100% of Pixies 2.0 albums and songs that we currently have to be returned for one album of 12 songs that you love as much as bossa nova or TLM?
Yes. Honestly it's so much more satisfying to me to have one awesome album than a bunch that have some good songs and a lot of mediocre stuff. Probably the only newer Pixies albums i feel like revisiting sometimes are BTE and that demo album.
In comparison a band like My Bloody Valentine. They released like 1 album in the last 15 years or something? But it's a quality shoegaze album and is still enjoyable to revisit.
As to this thread- I'm really enjoying Kim's album. I always appreciate how she sticks to the indie sound ethos over the years. Makes her albums enjoyable for me to listen to and revisit over the years.
So we’re trading five 2.0 albums plus B-sides and singles for 12 songs? That’s a big trade to make, but the 1.0 quality is hard to argue with.
If we applied this to all FBF albums and asked how many of those would we condense / trade for a couple more masterpieces, we would have what, 8-9 albums to the man’s credit as opposed to the twenty something we actually have (check my math)
I’m not sure I would make the trades, but I can see why some would
Back to Kim’s album, I really dig it, and her mainstream Breeders stuff too, but like FBF I don’t believe she has reached Pod level quality in anything she’s done since
One more thing - “Don’t split your sails over me” on Who’s More Sorry Now, and Kim is on the water on the cover of Nobody Loves You More |
| Troubles A Foot |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 06:04:31
Perhaps one should try having a baby and then listening to the song Nobody Loves You More. The tears will come. |
| Skatealex1 |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 06:01:14
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
Here is a question I find interesting hypothetically speaking
Would you guys trade in 100% of Pixies 2.0 albums and songs that we currently have to be returned for one album of 12 songs that you love as much as bossa nova or TLM?
Yes. Honestly it's so much more satisfying to me to have one awesome album than a bunch that have some good songs and a lot of mediocre stuff. Probably the only newer Pixies albums i feel like revisiting sometimes are BTE and that demo album.
In comparison a band like My Bloody Valentine. They released like 1 album in the last 15 years or something? But it's a quality shoegaze album and is still enjoyable to revisit.
As to this thread- I'm really enjoying Kim's album. I always appreciate how she sticks to the indie sound ethos over the years. Makes her albums enjoyable for me to listen to and revisit over the years. |
| Troubles A Foot |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 05:51:56
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
Here is a question I find interesting hypothetically speaking
Would you guys trade in 100% of Pixies 2.0 albums and songs that we currently have to be returned for one album of 12 songs that you love as much as bossa nova or TLM?
Yes |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 03:47:37
Here is a question I find interesting hypothetically speaking
Would you guys trade in 100% of Pixies 2.0 albums and songs that we currently have to be returned for one album of 12 songs that you love as much as bossa nova or TLM? |
| auxfnx |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 02:27:09
This album is just not doing it for me for whatever reason. I adore Mountain Battles and All Nerve but this one is just not really connecting with me and I don't know why. |
| Mad Lucas |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 22:25:07
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
This is the exact opposite how I feel. The new Pixies doesn't sound assured to me at all. Santiago does some of his least interesting work on it, but how much can you do over some of Frank's most boilerplate and least innovative chord progressions?
The Kim album actually made me shed a tear. It's so moving and fun and interesting. The new Pixies I basically got tired of after a few listens, and only liking about half the songs, and hating all of the production choices on every song.
I would give anything for a new Pixies album to be as moving and cool and confident as the new Kim album. And make it sound like indie rock. I love the tones of the guitars, drums, etc on Kim's album.
Well, you're WRONG.
Joking... that's fair enough. Kim's album is great, no doubt. |
| Troubles A Foot |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 19:19:47
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
This is the exact opposite how I feel. The new Pixies doesn't sound assured to me at all. Santiago does some of his least interesting work on it, but how much can you do over some of Frank's most boilerplate and least innovative chord progressions?
The Kim album actually made me shed a tear. It's so moving and fun and interesting. The new Pixies I basically got tired of after a few listens, and only liking about half the songs, and hating all of the production choices on every song.
I would give anything for a new Pixies album to be as moving and cool and confident as the new Kim album. And make it sound like indie rock. I love the tones of the guitars, drums, etc on Kim's album. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:28:38
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Lucas
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
This is exactly how I feel, two amazing albums coming out in the span of one month, unbelievable. How many of our other favorite bands are still doing this?
Kristin Hersh and Lou Barlow are two others IMO.
Thanks for the recommendation I will check them out |
| Mad Lucas |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:25:46
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
This is exactly how I feel, two amazing albums coming out in the span of one month, unbelievable. How many of our other favorite bands are still doing this?
Kristin Hersh and Lou Barlow are two others IMO. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:08:12
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
This is exactly how I feel, two amazing albums coming out in the span of one month, unbelievable. How many of our other favorite bands are still doing this? |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:06:12
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
One negative I will say bout Kim's new album is her voice.
Something is up with it, like manufactured or something?
I'm not saying AI, but something sort of pharmaceutical or laboratory or something I can't put my finger on
But real good tunes
I don't hear anything remotely like this.
I just won 20 bucks, thank you! |
| Mad Lucas |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:02:09
I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
|
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 12:37:44
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
I blame Dalgety.
Yeah, I felt the same but I'm loathe to put all of it on him. It appears to be the direction they've been heading towards over a few years and everyone connected to the band seems ok with it.
Maybe it's just me but are they now a Halloween band? Release an album in the fall with a Halloween themed single (graveyard hill, haunted house, zombies etc).
I feel they peaked in this direction with Beneath the Eyrie. I love 80s dark wave such as Love and Rockets, Bauhaus, Chameleons etc and I can see they are looking in that direction (with the aid of Dalgety) but rather than hitting the heights of those artists they come across more like Billy Idol.
Again, this is probably more to do with me than the them. Life happens and things change.
If it was up to me (which it will never be) I'd love Pixies back on 4AD produced by Cocteau Twins Robin Guthrie. |
| Troubles A Foot |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 11:58:22
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
One negative I will say bout Kim's new album is her voice.
Something is up with it, like manufactured or something?
I'm not saying AI, but something sort of pharmaceutical or laboratory or something I can't put my finger on
But real good tunes
I don't hear anything remotely like this. |
| Troubles A Foot |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 11:54:22
I blame Dalgety. |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 09:41:25
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug
I hear you, lots of good thoughts there, but I also think: didn’t all his masterpieces just get written and recorded and released with haste?
Yeah you're right there.
I suppose I'm disheartened I don't enjoy it as much as I feel I should but that's probably a conversation for therapy lol |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 06:50:26
I hear you, lots of good thoughts there, but I also think: didn’t all his masterpieces just get written and recorded and released with haste? |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 06:19:55
quote:
Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but it's worth pointing out that Kim had been working on this album for a decade, whereas the Pixies are banging out new records every 1-2 years now.
Yeah of course, it's the same with the Cure or other bands who don't release often there's often a bigger hype with their release.
Maybe it's not the best place to air this as it's about Kim's album after all and while I didn't want to make comparisons between the two albums I suppose it's only natural to do so.
I'm at that stage with Pixies where they can do anything they want, they don't owe anyone anything - but I'm just not really that interested anymore.
Part of that stems from why there was such an urgency to get an unknown to step in to finish an album? Why not sit on it, work on it, take a bit of time to refine it? Because they had tour dates to finalise.
Their business model seems to be prioritising being on the touring circuit and to do that a new album every couple of years helps. Or that's how it appears. However, there doesn't appear to be a correlation between demand for new material and tickets.
I'd bet they would sell as many tickets if they just played their legacy material, and besides, once the new album tour is done that material is shelved bar from a track or two
Sure, it gives Frank a bigger audience for his music releasing it as Pixies compared to solo, but on zombies a lot of the themes have been done better on his solo albums. It just feels at times they're spitballing through albums and hoping something will stick. And that's fine, but I always had the feeling he had another masterpiece in him but with each release I'm finding that less to be the case. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 05:48:56
quote:
Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but it's worth pointing out that Kim had been working on this album for a decade, whereas the Pixies are banging out new records every 1-2 years now.
No kidding? The Megalopolis of indie albums for sure |
| Brank_Flack |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 05:24:11
Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but it's worth pointing out that Kim had been working on this album for a decade, whereas the Pixies are banging out new records every 1-2 years now. |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 04:37:25
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
This album is so damn good. I'm not trying to be controversial or inflammatory here, but it puts the Pixies album to shame.
With the new Pixies I am having all these inner negotiations with myself, well, that song has parts I like, that sound is kind of cool, that bit there is ok...
I put this Kim Deal album on and it's basically all great. No defensiveness, no debating with myself, no forcing myself to like it. It's just great.
I agree, putting on the Kim album is like slipping into comfortable worn in trainers (sneakers for you not in the UK) jeans and hoodie.
Putting on new Pixies is like donning big black goth boots and a cowboy hat. That's fine of course but maybe it's not a look that best suits.
Kim on 4AD is uniquely indie rock. I'm not sure how I would describe Pixies these days but I miss their indie side. |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/23/2024 : 19:09:18
One negative I will say bout Kim's new album is her voice.
Something is up with it, like manufactured or something?
I'm not saying AI, but something sort of pharmaceutical or laboratory or something I can't put my finger on
But real good tunes |
| Bedbug |
Posted - 11/23/2024 : 03:51:32
NY Times Playlist “as cool as Kim Deal” with pixies and more
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/22/arts/music/amplifier-newsletter-kim-deal.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare |
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