| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Grotesque |
Posted - 07/29/2014 : 11:36:38
Everything Black Francis is doing right now is a betrayal of what he proclaimed before. I can't see that in any other way that a tragic+pathetic renunciation. I'm out, i wont write anymore in this forum, not a fan anymore. I don't even want to listen to the old pixies records. Albini was right saying the pixies were a scam. David Bowie is the real shit and remember Brian Eno didnt procuce any of the Berlin trilogy. Adios |
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| Discoking |
Posted - 08/11/2014 : 22:44:21
quote:
Originally posted by Jason
"I have a drink
I start to think
I write a post on the forum"
quote-bump!
 
 it's educational |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 08/04/2014 : 21:09:12
Grotesque really has left. He's the new Kim.
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Ed is the hoo hoo |
| velvety |
Posted - 08/04/2014 : 11:12:41
The moment Kim left the recording sessions in Wales, Indie Cindy's story was pretty much written, the press had their targets, people had something to read about. Unfortunately the album didn't manage to have a perfect line-up of songs it needed to sustain the backlash. A good half of the album is fantastic, the other less so, kind of still trying to figure out what this Pixies 2.0 sounds like. I wonder, even if they had released Bluefinger or Der Golem as the new album, if the reaction would have been that much different.
Definitely agree with Stevio10, hope the band keeps releasing albums they're happy with and start pushing the old songs more to the background. Continuing with the Best-of live shows would be a strange move, when they start getting more albums under their belts. |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 08/04/2014 : 02:18:27
quote:
Originally posted by Discoking
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage
As for Pot, he got into a huge pissing match with half the board (myself included) about a year ago and swore he'd never come back. So far he has been true to his word.
ooh, where did that happen? i don't seem to remember this. link?
it's educational
I'm pretty sure it was somewhere in one of the EP1 threads. I'll look later tonight to see if I can find it but it's buried in all those pages.
My density has popped me to you. |
| Discoking |
Posted - 08/03/2014 : 21:57:03
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage
As for Pot, he got into a huge pissing match with half the board (myself included) about a year ago and swore he'd never come back. So far he has been true to his word.
ooh, where did that happen? i don't seem to remember this. link?
it's educational |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 08/03/2014 : 14:48:58
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10
Now That Indie Cindy is done (so to speak), for me I would like to see the day where a Pixies show is 90% new material and 10% classics.
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Other than that, who knows! Maybe Pot hacked Grotesque's account?! Whatever Happened to Pot?
I will second the hell out of that. I love the old stuff but damn, it's getting a little long in the toof from a live show standpoint. I can't believe they can even muster up the drive to play them over an over. I hope they keep recording and keep working more and more new stuff in. Let the haters hate. Led Zeppelin didn't write songs everyone liked. They left that to the Bee Gees.
As for Pot, he got into a huge pissing match with half the board (myself included) about a year ago and swore he'd never come back. So far he has been true to his word. He does bring a certain je ne sais quoi to the board I'll say that much!
My density has popped me to you. |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 08/03/2014 : 01:37:49
There was an FB interview pre pixies reunion in an old thread that temporarily popped up from a hacked post discussing the potential of a reunion where it was confirmed it wouldn't happen, maybe if it was just Joe / FB and that in general reunions shouldn't be about the money.
Maybe Grotesque read this and that interview made him re-evaluate some things post reunion?
I don't know...everyone has the right to change their mind, circumstances change, people change, motivations change. I don’t think the Pixies reforming and the reunion was about ‘selling out’, or atleast that to me did not appear to be the intention. Their legacy had become so huge that it would have been difficult not to ‘sell out’. Although the Pixies were, and still are, a cult band, they just happen to probably be the biggest cult band on the planet!
I don’t know the reason for the change in attitude towards the Pixies but there was a lot of change around the time of the start of the reunion, what with the Catholics disbanding and a divorce. Maybe the embracing of the Pixies and the big time was seen as a new start or a second chance?
I think the reunion went on a lot longer than anticipated and was likely quite frustrating where BF was writing songs of the quality from Bluefinger / Svn Fngrs intended for the Pixies but ultimately didn’t happen.
I don’t think BF lost any artistic integrity with the release of his solo efforts including the Golem, NSE , the record with Reid Paley, if anything those releases are as solid as any of the previous solo work and took a different direction. Even the Grand Duchy releases brought new ideas and directions which belong to the cult artist stature.
So it’s a little strange to have the solo releases that match the artistic integrity that FB/BF has always had mixed with the Pixies reunion which went on and on without any new material. To me it must have been very frustrating, the comments saying it was only about the money seem to be borne out of frustration at not being able to move forward.
Now That Indie Cindy is done (so to speak), for me I would like to see the day where a Pixies show is 90% new material and 10% classics. Other than that, I don’t have any gripes over artistic integrity whether it be BF solo or Pixies who are the same as they have ever been, only they have evolved over time as has the world around them.
Other than that, who knows! Maybe Pot hacked Grotesque's account?! Whatever Happened to Pot? |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 08/02/2014 : 06:14:49
quote:
Originally posted by Jason
"I have a drink
I start to think
I write a post on the forum"
Awesome. Maybe that should replace the ancient "let they walk behind" scrolling headline.
My density has popped me to you. |
| Sprite |
Posted - 08/01/2014 : 22:04:00
Giggle |
| Jason |
Posted - 08/01/2014 : 09:54:41
"I have a drink
I start to think
I write a post on the forum" |
| IBreed |
Posted - 08/01/2014 : 08:25:40
indie cindy is good. |
| Arm Arm Arm |
Posted - 08/01/2014 : 06:54:17
Perhaps a little too much Châteauneuf-du-Pape. |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 08/01/2014 : 05:48:23
This definitely sounds like an angry drunk topic post. I did one of those back while they were recording and I was pissed nothing was going on. Felt bad afterwards and had to apologize to the man.
My density has popped me to you. |
| vilainde |
Posted - 08/01/2014 : 01:08:26
My theory is that drunk Grotesque wrote it.
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux |
| Arm Arm Arm |
Posted - 08/01/2014 : 00:53:31
No one accuses authors of "selling out" because of books with new covers or new editions. I thought Minotaur was for hardcore collectors and maybe people who've never owned the albums and want to make a huge commitment. I didn't buy it, why would I? I don't need a fancy box and frankly (no pun intended, ha ha) I was unimpressed with the art. No, actually, I thought it was FUCKING TERRIBLE. A penis doodle? Really? Ooooh, artistic! But anyway, Grotesque doesn't actually mention Minotaur. I don't know what the tragic, pathetic renunciation is. The new album? Interesting that his or (her?) farewell post has generated so much activity. By not being specific it leaves things open to interpretation that message boards are known for.
I still wonder if it's really him and/or a joke post to see what would happen... |
| Idalgo Clandestino |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 22:02:48
quote:
Originally posted by Discoking
quote:
Originally posted by Grotesque
Everything Black Francis is doing right now is a betrayal of what he proclaimed before. I can't see that in any other way that a tragic+pathetic renunciation. I'm out, i wont write anymore in this forum, not a fan anymore. I don't even want to listen to the old pixies records. Albini was right saying the pixies were a scam. David Bowie is the real shit and remember Brian Eno didnt procuce any of the Berlin trilogy. Adios
excuse me, but HA!
it's educational
I thought you're gone ?!
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you probably thought i'm a shy guy |
| Discoking |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 21:41:22
minotaur was sold as a "new album"? i must've missed that press release. it always seemed to be a reissue of their old albums to me. and guess what: i didn't buy it. nobody made me. GOSH IM SO ANGRY OMG FUCKING SELLOUTS REISSUING THEIR OLD ALBUMS AND WHATNOT JESUS
it's educational |
| Helmut |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 14:57:18
No, Grotesque won by claiming Frank Black is a sell out. I called the Pixies on that when they re-released their old albums under the guise of a new album... The infamous Minotaur sham. At least they are releasing ok music and are tighter than ever with Paz, I'm happy with 3-4 good songs in every batch of 12. |
| Discoking |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 08:18:58
SO CHARLES LIKE TOTALLY WON, OR WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? WHAT SCORE IS A GOOD INDICATION OF THIS WIN? 3-2? OR RATHER 6-1? thanks.
it's educational |
| Fissile |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 04:43:55
quote:
Originally posted by Discoking
quote:
Originally posted by Helmut
Kim hasn't put out a decent album in 20 years, and even Last Splash was more art than solid songs. Frank has put out at least half a dozen classics, not to mention good songs hidden on his average albums.
so basically you're saying that frank has won, and kim lost. game over.
interesting. thanks for sharing that!
it's educational
The success of Last Splash was all style over substance. It was the pinnacle of the MTV era. Kim and her twin were young, attractive women, with goofy endearing personalities, perfect match for MTV. What lasting impression has the Breeders made on music?
During the initial Pixies run, Thompson did an interview where he was asked if selling a million CDs was how he defined success. Thompson replied that it depended on how you sold those million CDs. You could sell a million CDs this year, and be in the discount bin the next year, or you could sell 50K CDs every year for 20 years and that said more about you as an artist. Well, that was very prescient, because that's exactly what happened. The Pixies continue to receive high praise from critics to this day. Every year a new group of hip music fans discovers the Pixies. How about the Breeders?
The Pixies have staying power and the Breeders were a flash in the pan. I think that Kim very badly miscalculated abandoning the Pixies.....if that's what happened and the other 3 didn't actually throw her out.
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| Jason |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 04:38:27
I don't care if someone doesn't like Frank's work, but I will say that I don't recall him ever having "proclaimed" anything about what kind of music he'll continue to make or how. He's just kept on keeping on and that's about it.
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| Discoking |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 01:19:30
quote:
Originally posted by Helmut
Kim hasn't put out a decent album in 20 years, and even Last Splash was more art than solid songs. Frank has put out at least half a dozen classics, not to mention good songs hidden on his average albums.
so basically you're saying that frank has won, and kim lost. game over.
interesting. thanks for sharing that!
it's educational |
| Helmut |
Posted - 07/31/2014 : 00:09:37
Kim hasn't put out a decent album in 20 years, and even Last Splash was more art than solid songs. Frank has put out at least half a dozen classics, not to mention good songs hidden on his average albums. Thanks to Kim's nonsense Bluefinger wasn't the Pixies comeback album. I think Kim's artistic well is dry, did you hear that last single she did? A 2year old on a Casio would come up with something better. |
| Discoking |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 21:26:35
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Anyway has Frank done anything recently?
i don't know exactly what charles was doing at the moment grotesque made his post, but maybe it wasn't music related at all.
not recycling a plastic bottle? jaywalking? deciding to sit down to have a wee? trying out a new night cream? calling his wife "princess"? watching repeats of friends? farting in an elevator? forgetting to put his napkin on his lap during dinner? thinking "those damn teenagers" while walking through town? removing the old "welcome" mat at the front door?
it could be anything.
whatever it was, though, it must've upset grotesque tremendously.
it's educational |
| danjersey |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 15:32:12
I wonder what my post count is
Oh, ok |
| vilainde |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 09:55:41
Anyway has Frank done anything recently? Last thing I knew they were touring Europe but that's the only news I've had.
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 08:54:06
quote:
Originally posted by Grotesque
Everything Black Francis is doing right now is a betrayal of what he proclaimed before.
Including Amherst Stuckists?
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Ed is the hoo hoo |
| velvety |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 08:36:06
If 'Classic Masher' is on the next Pixies album, Grotesque could be on to something. That song is a Catholics song, if there ever was one. And it's kind of a boring one at that.
What happened to the "no solo songs on Pixies shows"?? |
| Arm Arm Arm |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 06:52:46
My impression from interviews is that Kim was the reason they didn't release new music sooner. I'm not talking about quality control or when they tried to jam out new tunes and it didn't work; I'm referring to the actual idea of going forward with new music as the Pixies. That's what I meant by protested. My point though is that Frank is incredibly prolific and Indie Cindy is just another example of that and in my opinion, nothing hypocritical at all. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 06:03:25
quote:
Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
I think everything Frank Black has been dong, i.e. recording new music with Joey and Dave is completely true to himself as an artist and fits his modus operandi. The man writes and records a lot of music and I'm sure if Kim hadn't protested new music, we'd have had new albums by them years ago. I don't see how anything connected to Indie Cindy is hypocritical for Frank, assuming that's what is being referred to.
This doesn't even read like most of Grotesque's posts in the past, perhaps the account was hacked?
Kim didn't 'protest new music". Why does she keep putting out her own lame shit? She's was being a pain-in-ass, in other words, she was being Kim. The more I see of this, the more I believe the guys are damn happy to be rid of her. |
| Arm Arm Arm |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 05:42:35
I think everything Frank Black has been dong, i.e. recording new music with Joey and Dave is completely true to himself as an artist and fits his modus operandi. The man writes and records a lot of music and I'm sure if Kim hadn't protested new music, we'd have had new albums by them years ago. I don't see how anything connected to Indie Cindy is hypocritical for Frank, assuming that's what is being referred to.
This doesn't even read like most of Grotesque's posts in the past, perhaps the account was hacked? |
| vilainde |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 04:08:44
As much as I love Bowie... you gotta admit his last album is mostly crap.
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux |
| Discoking |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 04:00:33
quote:
Originally posted by Grotesque
and remember Brian Eno didnt procuce any of the Berlin trilogy.
i will try to remember this.
it's educational |
| Discoking |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 03:59:26
what exactly is lame?
(can you be less vague than "everything black francis is doing right now"?)
it's educational |
| Helmut |
Posted - 07/30/2014 : 03:09:58
I hope they do a double album of punk and surf and tour the fuck outta it |
