| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| ccuadros |
Posted - 11/29/2013 : 15:03:33
Sad news she gave a lot of energy to Pixies, this is that she wrote on their facebook page:
Super disappointed to learn that my time with the Pixies ended today. Amazing experience. Looking forward to focusing my attention back on the Muffs and our upcoming new album. All the best to everyone.
I'm in shock |
| 35 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| IBreed |
Posted - 12/17/2013 : 08:05:19
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
Various interviews I read a long time ago were about BF wanted to start a singles club and release a compilation as a record every year.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
That would be awesome. Especially if he was recording and writing on the go. |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 12/17/2013 : 07:57:59
Not in this thread, but that was well known opinion last september
I like her style
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| floop |
Posted - 12/17/2013 : 06:39:40
can we redirect the discussion to how Kim S is kinda hot? I don't think that's really been covered here. at least not formally
 green star member since 2006. smb? |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 21:10:11
Various interviews I read a long time ago were about BF wanted to start a singles club and release a compilation as a record every year.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 21:08:33
I think it works fine, I'm more than happy with my vinyl. BF has been into the idea of EP's since the Bossanova days. I wish that THAT was the reason behind this.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 18:12:14
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
I can see that too, but don't point to your smartphone and say 'that's the way people listen to music these days' (or something like that).
People, especially pixies fans, are willing to hear an album. If you want to release ep's, fine, but don't make it seem like you had to because the public forces you.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Agree, they aren't forced and it isn't the only viable option. I think their manager sold them on the idea, but that's not to say it hasn't and won't work. |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 11:30:45
I can see that too, but don't point to your smartphone and say 'that's the way people listen to music these days' (or something like that).
People, especially pixies fans, are willing to hear an album. If you want to release ep's, fine, but don't make it seem like you had to because the public forces you.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 09:11:04
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
Natenate101, I posted the news about Beyonce in my endless battle against the idea that the album is a dead medium.
Even the cd isn't dead. Beyonce will release it all on compact disc soon.Accordin to Sony.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Yeah but its neither dead nor alive and thriving. Its in the middle, works for some and not others. I love and prefer albums, but can see why spme wouldnt feel its the best approach these days. |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 09:00:29
Natenate101, I posted the news about Beyonce in my endless battle against the idea that the album is a dead medium.
Even the cd isn't dead. Beyonce will release it all on compact disc soon.Accordin to Sony.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 03:05:20
quote:
Originally posted by Jason
We lose sight of this here, but there's a whole universe of Pixies fans who don't care at all about the bass player situation and who barely even know that they have new music out. What IBreed said above about how some people online take these EP-1 videos as brand new songs rings true.
My girlfriend and I are seeing the Pixies in February with another couple, friends of hers, who are really excited to see the band. We were talking about the Pixies and I said something like "Have you heard the new record? It's controversial, but I think it's really good."
Neither of them even knew that they had new music out.
I don't think it's because of the "EP format" or whatever... because EP-1 got TONS of press. Any website or news source that covers "indie rock" and whatnot covered EP-1.
I think there's a big audience that genuinely doesn't care if the Pixies put out new music. Those old records are still being passed down to ever younger audiences (people too young to have caught the 2004 reunion tour!) and then are old fuckers (people my age and up; I'm 37) who mostly want their nostalgia buzz.
If you ask me, THAT'S the challenge that the band faces. It's not making music that lives up to Doolittle; it's making music that gets those people above to care about it.
(Now, me, I don't give a shit about that at all. I just want to hear Frank's new songs, don't care what name it's released under. I listened to Show Me Your Tears in the car tonight and was floored by it, AGAIN. He's a great songwriter and I'll be following him until one of us is dead. That's where I stand.)
IBreed's comment about the video-a-month strategy was observant, I think. When you get right down to it, Youtube might be the #1 way that people today hear new, under-the-radar music. I don't know about y'all, but when I'm intrigued by a band that I've never heard, I go straight to Youtube and check out some clips.
In any case, I think the Pixies will put out a proper LP some time. After all, Frank has said the Pixies are his main project now... and he writes a lot of songs.
Nailed it again.
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Ed is the hoo hoo |
| Carl |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 01:10:42
Hee hee... |
| Jason |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 19:40:44
We lose sight of this here, but there's a whole universe of Pixies fans who don't care at all about the bass player situation and who barely even know that they have new music out. What IBreed said above about how some people online take these EP-1 videos as brand new songs rings true.
My girlfriend and I are seeing the Pixies in February with another couple, friends of hers, who are really excited to see the band. We were talking about the Pixies and I said something like "Have you heard the new record? It's controversial, but I think it's really good."
Neither of them even knew that they had new music out.
I don't think it's because of the "EP format" or whatever... because EP-1 got TONS of press. Any website or news source that covers "indie rock" and whatnot covered EP-1.
I think there's a big audience that genuinely doesn't care if the Pixies put out new music. Those old records are still being passed down to ever younger audiences (people too young to have caught the 2004 reunion tour!) and then are old fuckers (people my age and up; I'm 37) who mostly want their nostalgia buzz.
If you ask me, THAT'S the challenge that the band faces. It's not making music that lives up to Doolittle; it's making music that gets those people above to care about it.
(Now, me, I don't give a shit about that at all. I just want to hear Frank's new songs, don't care what name it's released under. I listened to Show Me Your Tears in the car tonight and was floored by it, AGAIN. He's a great songwriter and I'll be following him until one of us is dead. That's where I stand.)
IBreed's comment about the video-a-month strategy was observant, I think. When you get right down to it, Youtube might be the #1 way that people today hear new, under-the-radar music. I don't know about y'all, but when I'm intrigued by a band that I've never heard, I go straight to Youtube and check out some clips.
In any case, I think the Pixies will put out a proper LP some time. After all, Frank has said the Pixies are his main project now... and he writes a lot of songs. |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 18:39:48
I agree with most of that, it just felt like someone was using Beyonce releasing a suprise ALBUM as some verification that the Pixies could've/should've done the same. They didnt, let's get over it. Bottomline for me is that I like EP-1 still, and just want them to release the next one soon. Was really thinking it made sense to be released on Dec 1st, but here we are waiting. I liked the release strategy fine until this past 2 weeks. Now I'm restless.
And I do think it reflects poorly on the Pixies that the Kim situation was handled the way it was. It's a shame. I didn't have much feeling for her one way or another. Just liked the notion of settling with a lineup and moving forward.
I think someone mentioned that Joey wanted Paz early on. Can someone confirm this? |
| IBreed |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 17:48:03
quote:
Originally posted by natenate101
It's not even close. Biggest indie/cult band ain't what you make it to be. Beyonce basically did what Pixies did with EP-1. But she's Beyonce.
what? i think you're misunderstanding my posts. the pixies are wildly successful as an indie band- they're playing 2000-3000 capacity venues on a sold out international tour and racked up a million youtube views for their comeback single in days, but i'm not under the impression they'd have sold 80 000 records over night. they'd have done really healthy numbers relative to their size though-- especially when you consider their big advantage was the lack of new material. with the release of bagboy that bridge was crossed and it's likely a game of diminishing returns (as you can see in the video viewership).
the point of the EPs for the pixies is maintaining interest over a period of time. i'm really curious to see how the first video from EP2 performs. they'll for sure sell out their 5000 vinyl copies in a day.
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| natenate101 |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 17:13:40
It's not even close. Biggest indie/cult band ain't what you make it to be. Beyonce basically did what Pixies did with EP-1. But she's Beyonce. |
| IBreed |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 14:38:23
true, but the pixies are basically the biggest cult/indie band going. bagboy racked up a mill views in a week or two. that's very solid. for comparison, indie cindy doesn't even have half of that after four months. they had a shit load of coverage for bagboy that didn't crossover. as i said, i believe they'll be releasing to diminishing returns now. |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 13:32:09
Beyonce is in an entire different universe. |
| IBreed |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 12:13:56
quote:
Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
EPs seem fine during the couple years between LPs; it's cool, a nice little sample to tide us over. But there's no way an EP would be satisfying after a twenty plus year gap between records. Sure, as a strategy, I can understand why this path was chosen, but it makes sense that some people are frustrated. The bass player situation just exacerbates it. Mainly for people who post on message boards, i reckon.
I don't really care about reviews (though I can enjoy reading them) but perhaps there would have been more positive ones if there'd been twelve to fifteen songs to consider versus five (counting Bagboy). These four (five) songs had quite a lot of weight to carry.
Then again, they could've released the Pixies Teenager of the Year and still been ripped apart by critics.
i doubt it. i don't think the pixies have it that bad... unfortunately we can only deal in hypotheticals for the time being, but as you said, those five songs had a lot of weight to carry, and beyond that, they just weren't their strongest offerings.
why they didn't lead with four, identifiably catchy pixies songs is anyones guess. i guarantee the critics will be more favorable to a song like greens and blues or classic masher.
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| IBreed |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 12:06:59
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
Beyonce releases a visual album today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153655829445601&set=vb.28940545600&type=2&theater
This video is full of quotes about albums, singles, videos, a body of work vs hype.
The album format is as vital as it was ten years ago.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
wow, there you go. that's incredible. it's more or less what the pixies are attempting, but she just dumped it all in one go. i read she sold 80,000 records last night. |
| eroticvultcha |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 07:54:58
quote:
Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm
Then again, they could've released the Pixies Teenager of the Year
I would sell my first born son to hear that... |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 22:03:16
Beyonce releases a visual album today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153655829445601&set=vb.28940545600&type=2&theater
This video is full of quotes about albums, singles, videos, a body of work vs hype.
The album format is as vital as it was ten years ago.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
| Arm Arm Arm |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 19:15:34
EPs seem fine during the couple years between LPs; it's cool, a nice little sample to tide us over. But there's no way an EP would be satisfying after a twenty plus year gap between records. Sure, as a strategy, I can understand why this path was chosen, but it makes sense that some people are frustrated. The bass player situation just exacerbates it. Mainly for people who post on message boards, i reckon.
I don't really care about reviews (though I can enjoy reading them) but perhaps there would have been more positive ones if there'd been twelve to fifteen songs to consider versus five (counting Bagboy). These four (five) songs had quite a lot of weight to carry.
Then again, they could've released the Pixies Teenager of the Year and still been ripped apart by critics.
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| trevgreg |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 18:20:34
quote:
Originally posted by peter radiator
I am of the strong belief that had the band released an LP rather than an EP, the exact same number of people would know about it today, and there would merely be an extra 7 or 8 songs for Pitchfork and their ilk to say shitty things about (and for everyone and their brother to post on YouTube - thus allowing people the world over to listen to the tracks ad nauseam for free without ever even paying the band for that privilege).
It's 2013. There's no large label and/or distro pushing them (in whatever way that helps these days). A lengthier record would have made no substantial difference.
Not sure why so many folks are so wedded to / continue to festishize the arbitrary LP format as though it's some sort of panacea for the Pixies.
In an alternate universe, the band released a full-length LP, and a substantial number of fans crowed on and on about how disjointed it was and how the band would have been much more savvy and hip to have broken it up into smaller chunks and released them over an extended period of time.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
I agree with much of this, although I do wonder if fans would have even suggested the EP format as an alternative scenario! |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 11:26:06
quote:
Originally posted by IBreed
it's obvious now the release plan revolves around videos every month. bagboy 1 at the end of june, bagboy 2 end of july, indie cindy sept 2, andro queen in oct, what goes boom in nov. and finally another toe in december. EP2 will land early to mid january, before the next touring leg begins anyway. then we're looking at may for EP3-- maybe.
/tangent
That's a useful summary. I hadn't seen it like that.
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Ed is the hoo hoo |
| The Holiday Son |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 09:23:48
I don't care about LPs and EPs, I still don't understand the point of making us wait so long between EP1 and EP2 !
The other thing I don't understand is the lack of communication with the fans. I know Frank's moto is "We're just here for the music" but I'm not asking much, just an official statement from time to time about stuff like Kim S and most important when to expect EP2 ! |
| peter radiator |
Posted - 12/12/2013 : 08:27:30
quote:
Originally posted by IBreed
i'm still seeing comments on the another toe video talking about it being a new song, like they had no idea the EP even came out! i still think the entire operation was a boner-- an album would have generated WAY more publicity and been WAY less crass in the scheme of things...
I am of the strong belief that had the band released an LP rather than an EP, the exact same number of people would know about it today, and there would merely be an extra 7 or 8 songs for Pitchfork and their ilk to say shitty things about (and for everyone and their brother to post on YouTube - thus allowing people the world over to listen to the tracks ad nauseam for free without ever even paying the band for that privilege).
It's 2013. There's no large label and/or distro pushing them (in whatever way that helps these days). A lengthier record would have made no substantial difference.
Not sure why so many folks are so wedded to / continue to festishize the arbitrary LP format as though it's some sort of panacea for the Pixies.
In an alternate universe, the band released a full-length LP, and a substantial number of fans crowed on and on about how disjointed it was and how the band would have been much more savvy and hip to have broken it up into smaller chunks and released them over an extended period of time.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder |
| IBreed |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 18:50:15
it's obvious now the release plan revolves around videos every month. bagboy 1 at the end of june, bagboy 2 end of july, indie cindy sept 2, andro queen in oct, what goes boom in nov. and finally another toe in december. EP2 will land early to mid january, before the next touring leg begins anyway. then we're looking at may for EP3-- maybe.
i thought for sure they'd skip another toe, alas, here we are.
honestly though, i think the fan frustration with the release schedule is more or less a vocal minority, much as i hate to admit it. i'm still seeing comments on the another toe video talking about it being a new song, like they had no idea the EP even came out! i still think the entire operation was a boner-- an album would have generated WAY more publicity and been WAY less crass in the scheme of things... but this is their great youtube pop experiment.
/tangent |
| natenate101 |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 18:21:24
How were they being vague about Kim Deal's departure? I wouldn't expect the initial statement to list the reasons she left, that's tacky. But the band members have done an excellent job of detailing the hows and whys after it was announced. Not sure what eroticvultcha was getting at there.
I would say it was being handled excellently until this recent episode and the lengthy wait between EP-1 and the new stuff to come. They have let the anticipation build up actually too much, to the point of frustration amongst a lot of the fans. Now some are saying they don't even care (which I don't believe for a second) which needs to be examined. The plan went awry somewhere in the last month or so. |
| floop |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 15:42:28
quote:
Originally posted by eroticvultcha
quote:
Originally posted by ccuadros
There was a show at the Mayan in Los Angeles where I got overly enthusiastic and jumped into the crowd, and I know they weren't thrilled about that. When I got offstage the manager told me not to do that again. I said, 'Really, for my own safety?' And he said, 'No, because the Pixies don't do that.'"
That apparently dictatorial display of image control says it all. Pixies are being managed as a brand, not a band. Their PR guys incessantly plug obvious cash grabs ('Minotaur', 'A Visual History', even a bloody Pixies cycling shirt) while remaining as vague as possible about silly issues like Kim Deal's departure, Kim Shattuck's dismissal and a heap of unreleased songs they'll likely drip-feed and milk as much as possible out of over the coming year(s).
Yes, they deserve to finally be recognised and (financially) rewarded for their work. Yes, they should be applauded for finally taking the initiative to record new material, despite some of the material falling a little flat. They don't owe us a damn thing and we should be grateful for what little we're getting. But it's all being handled atrociously. To stay reunited longer than their initial run and have 0.6 songs a year and nostalgia-tour overkill to show for it - all the while letting management pull the strings - makes the original reunion tour's title all the more ominous.
"Pixies: Sell Out."
well said
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| simibaby |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 15:35:58
Now I yearn for FB & the C's. Let them end this Pixies endless $$$$$$$$$$ tour already and put together an FB tour highlighting TOTY and I'll be excited. 2017 maybe? |
| Classic Masher |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 14:35:48
quote:
Originally posted by simibaby
I'm starting to get fed up. 2004-05 and somewhat 2009 was a gas. Now it's like.....yawn . Who needs 4 tix in Jan?
Simi! Not you too! Your wide-eyed optimism for all things BF and Pixies was always a refreshing change of pace... Darn you, frankblack.net forum! (You should read that last line in Timmy's Dad's voice).
"Mixed messages from Sir Naff, please authenticate..." |
| simibaby |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:43:48
I'm starting to get fed up. 2004-05 and somewhat 2009 was a gas. Now it's like.....yawn . Who needs 4 tix in Jan? |
| picpic |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:50:18
She's right not to be angry. That was great publicity for her and her band, after all. Never heard about the Muffs before.
About not being told face to face about it... well... Pixies don't talk to each other, and Frank is a snake. So... |
| eroticvultcha |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:46:52
quote:
Originally posted by ccuadros
There was a show at the Mayan in Los Angeles where I got overly enthusiastic and jumped into the crowd, and I know they weren't thrilled about that. When I got offstage the manager told me not to do that again. I said, 'Really, for my own safety?' And he said, 'No, because the Pixies don't do that.'"
That apparently dictatorial display of image control says it all. Pixies are being managed as a brand, not a band. Their PR guys incessantly plug obvious cash grabs ('Minotaur', 'A Visual History', even a bloody Pixies cycling shirt) while remaining as vague as possible about silly issues like Kim Deal's departure, Kim Shattuck's dismissal and a heap of unreleased songs they'll likely drip-feed and milk as much as possible out of over the coming year(s).
Yes, they deserve to finally be recognised and (financially) rewarded for their work. Yes, they should be applauded for finally taking the initiative to record new material, despite some of the material falling a little flat. They don't owe us a damn thing and we should be grateful for what little we're getting. But it's all being handled atrociously. To stay reunited longer than their initial run and have 0.6 songs a year and nostalgia-tour overkill to show for it - all the while letting management pull the strings - makes the original reunion tour's title all the more ominous.
"Pixies: Sell Out."
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| Carl |
Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:32:17
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
Thank you for getting my username right, not like some of the halfwits here.
Yeah, they're bloody idiots, torbinders! |
