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| two reelers |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 00:36:01
i've been watching a stanley kubrick documentation last week, and there was a spot when j.nicholson described how he experienced kubrick - and i can't help but find a lot of similiarities in his and frank's attitude towards art & work:
* both are inncredibly talented in their field
* both constantly explore and create new structures in their art (film & song)
* both are just looking for a good movie resp. a good song - they don't bother about genres or style
* both are workaholics
* both don't give a shit what other people think of their work (at least when they are creating it) - they don't want to satify other people, they want to be satisfied themselves
* both dislike to explain what they are doing
* both are pretty media-shy
* i think one can say both are/were very intelligent
* there is a general negative view on human society/behaviour in the work of both
(...to be continued / to be falsified..)
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| Newo |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 06:22:59
Fraid you're going to have to humour me with specifics, Mac.
-Owen |
| Mac E. Doobage |
Posted - 05/05/2004 : 03:45:47
quote:
Originally posted by Newo
What's wrong with approachably?
-Owen
Everything. |
| Carl |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 10:51:43
quote:
Originally posted by Mac E. Doobage
More accurately Frank Black is the Orson Welles of Rock Music. A bull of a genius right out of the gate, followed by years of obscurity. Only to be appreciated years later.
Yeah, I saw a resemblance there too before(honest!) He resembles a lot of maverick folk, I guess. |
| floop |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 09:29:34
really, the most significant difference between FB and Stanley Kubrick is their choice of facial hair.
Frank is decidedly anti-facial hair (except for the occasional goatee), whereas Kubrick kept a sizable beard for the better part of his life.
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| Newo |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 08:14:03
What's wrong with approachably?
-Owen |
| two reelers |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 00:52:23
i would disagree: i like beckett and his unique approach a lot, but ,imo, a major difference is that beckett's work is not as *easy* to enjoy as frank's songs or kubrick's movies. in other words, reading beckett involves a lot of hard work - not only once i gave up on a book by him.
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Originally posted by Mac E. Doobage
quote:
Originally posted by Newo
I'd say Beckett too, they seem to me to share an approachably oblique quality.
-Owen
Approachable.
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| Mac E. Doobage |
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 20:54:13
quote:
Originally posted by Newo
I'd say Beckett too, they seem to me to share an approachably oblique quality.
-Owen
Approachable.
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| Newo |
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 08:28:11
I'd say Beckett too, they seem to me to share an approachably oblique quality.
-Owen |
| BLT |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 17:58:17
I like the way you did that. My only disagreements...
-I say Paths vs. Doolittle is a tie. (And I love Doolittle.)
-Lolita by a nose over Trompe.
-I'd give Teenager a slight edge over 2001.
-I contest the Barry vs. FB&C's first album. I give a slight edge to FB cos Barry probably could've been edited down a little.
-I give DITS an edge of FMJ, which in my opinion is only half a great film.
So I still have Frank prevailing. |
| Itchload |
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 17:45:20
When I saw this I thought you were going to have them go head to head:
Less try (I haven't seen the first Kubrick)
Killer's Kiss vs. Come on Pilgrim (Frank wins)
The Killer vs. Surfer Rosa (Frank)
Paths of Glory vs. Doolittle (Frank)
Sparticus vs. Bossanova (Frank)
Lolita vs. Trompe (Frank)
Strangelove vs. FB (Kubrick)
2001 vs. Teenager (TIE)
Clockwork Orange vs. Cult of Ray (Kubz)
Barry Lyndon vs. FB and the C's (Kubrick, though most will contest this)
The Shining vs. Pistolero (Kubrick)
Full Metal Jacket vs. Dog in the Sand (TIE)
Eyes wide shut vs. Black Letter Days (Frank)
that was a waste of time. |
| jackelope |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 22:33:27
Interesting OP. I'd agree with johndietzel (second time tonight I've said that...) in that most or all of the traits listed apply to many geniuses in various artistic disciplines. As I was reading the list I thought of Samuel Beckett as well. |
| johndietzel |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 23:38:23
It's cool that no one mentioned the girth/appreciation level correspondence between Welles and FB. I won't either.
Not to be a jerk or whatever, but I think most of the things you mentioned that are common to FB and SK are also common to myriad "artists" from the dawn of man until today. In other words, there's nothing particularly "eerie" or even interesting in the possible parallel. Seriously though, I am not trying to be rude. I am only giving my observation of the comparison posed by the post. Posed by the post. Cool.
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| Mac E. Doobage |
Posted - 04/26/2004 : 11:47:31
More accurately Frank Black is the Orson Welles of Rock Music. A bull of a genius right out of the gate, followed by years of obscurity. Only to be appreciated years later. |
| Mickey |
Posted - 04/25/2004 : 14:03:35
one major difference is that Kubrick always took a long time to release something new.
-Mickey |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 04/25/2004 : 00:44:41
I love those two guys
I have almost their complete releases
Watching "A Clockwork Orange" I decided to learn about script writing
Listening to Surfer Rosa I decided to learn some music
There are probably some other coincidences between their relationship with me, but I don't remember it right now.
Oh, another one:
They're cool.
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| floop |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 10:11:24
they are also both afraid of flying |
| Carl |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 10:08:08
That's interesting, I always thought Fb was like the Kubrick of the music world, because of the way Kubrick has been depicted in the media (i.e an emotionally-detatched genieous!)
p.s he's a bit Alfred Hitchcock too-check out the 'Headache' vid! |
| two reelers |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 01:25:59
maybe also the actual quote from fb.net puts it nicely into words:
"I write songs. I record them. I go on tour and I play them. That's all. I don't ask people to 'put their hands together' or any other show biz crap."
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| two reelers |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 00:16:45
yeah, you are probably right there - or i was too fast there. what i wanted to say is you rarely will get frank explaining his songs (lyrics) in detail or what he wants to express exactly. i only have this old interview (1993) in mind, where a reporter asks him how he gets his ideas since he is writing about so many topics. as a reply, frank picked up a magazine and just said: there are so many words in there - so many words for so many songs. (not literally, but this was the point)
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Originally posted by IceCream
Very nice, two reelers.
Though, with all due respect, I don't really comprehend what you mean when you say "both don't like to explain what they are doing". I suppose Frank didn't confirm the Pixies reunion right away, but I thought that was because he was unsure - not to keep it ambigious (Granted, if what I say is incorrect, my apologies), and furthermore, he's "explained" the satisfaction of live to two track and why he's doing it:
"'We're like bad harmony,' a really straight line like that, I would have never done that 10 years ago because I would have been too embarrassed. I would have been, 'Oh that's too hokey, it's too traditional or something, mainstream.' But now I'm definitely like a lot more tempted to see just how middle of the road can I be. What can I get away with and still satisfy my rock muse?" - FB, Flagpole Magazine
So, I don't quite get what you mean here.
All the other comparisons are really interesting and cool; I like it a lot. Thanks for such a thought-provoking thread.
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| Newo |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 16:34:35
And smelly.
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 15:03:42
I'm now waiting for the Kubrick reunion... could be ugly.
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| Adnan_le_Terrible |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 14:51:38
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but the guy who can reallt be compared to Frank is Morissey!
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6414
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| IceCream |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 14:01:52
Very nice, two reelers.
Though, with all due respect, I don't really comprehend what you mean when you say "both don't like to explain what they are doing". I suppose Frank didn't confirm the Pixies reunion right away, but I thought that was because he was unsure - not to keep it ambigious (Granted, if what I say is incorrect, my apologies), and furthermore, he's "explained" the satisfaction of live to two track and why he's doing it:
"'We're like bad harmony,' a really straight line like that, I would have never done that 10 years ago because I would have been too embarrassed. I would have been, 'Oh that's too hokey, it's too traditional or something, mainstream.' But now I'm definitely like a lot more tempted to see just how middle of the road can I be. What can I get away with and still satisfy my rock muse?" - FB, Flagpole Magazine
So, I don't quite get what you mean here.
All the other comparisons are really interesting and cool; I like it a lot. Thanks for such a thought-provoking thread.
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| shineoftheever |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 13:34:05
Let's just hope when Frank dies, Spielberg doesn't finish his "works in progress"
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| pillpp |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 12:49:24
Is there anything better for an indie rocker then know an underground brazilian band still unsuccesfull that has a realy nice piece of music with samples from both Kubrick`s Full Metal Jacket and 2001, only avaliable on a strange website in an unknown language (called portuguese).
Get it at http://www.tramavirtual.com.br/artista/ruido_mm
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| edwina |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 07:21:06
Ah, ok, that makes more sense. |
| remig |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 07:17:07
so you can expect more art from him.
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| edwina |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 07:11:53
[/quote]
Frank is the best:
Frank is alive, Kubrick is dead
[/quote]
Yeah, and? |
| remig |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 06:26:26
quote:
Originally posted by two reelers
i've been watching a stanley kubrick documentation last week, and there was a spot when j.nicholson described how he experienced kubrick - and i can't help but find a lot of similiarities in his and frank's attitude towards art & work:
* both are inncredibly talented in their field
* both constantly explore and create new structures in their art (film & song)
* both are just looking for a good movie resp. a good song - they don't bother about genres or style
* both are workaholics
* both don't give a shit what other people think of their work (at least when they are creating it) - they don't want to satify other people, they want to be satisfied themselves
* both dislike to explain what they are doing
* both are pretty media-shy
* i think one can say both are/were very intelligent
* there is a general negative view on human society/behaviour in the work of both
(...to be continued / to be falsified..)
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Frank is the best:
Frank is alive, Kubrick is dead |
| The Holiday Son |
Posted - 04/14/2004 : 06:16:42
Nicholson even says : "Everybody pretty much aknowledge he is the man
and I still think that underrates him"
I always loved this and I would say the same about Frank ! |
