| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| oldmandavid |
Posted - 11/01/2011 : 12:01:10
 Am I the only one that has been more than a little disappointed with Frank's recent releases, Grand Duchy and solo? I know that saying this is near sacrilege, but I have to be honest about it. I don’t want to be disrespectful, because Frank is still my all time favorite artist, but something has changed. I am no casual fan. I am one of the Uber fans. I mean the few times I’ve met Charles,I nearly shit my panty and was speechless. It’s kinda sad, because I used to so look forward to his record releases with a crazy anticipation, and now, if I even buy the new Grand Duchy album coming out, it will be more out of obligation.
I joke with my girlfriend that Violet is like Yoko breaking up the Beatles. I mean, I don’t really know the whole timeline with her and Charles hooking up, and if there’s anything really there, but it seems a little like there was consistent good music his entire life, even when he was married to Jean Marie, and then still when they broke….but after Violet and after Fast Man Raider Man, things began to change. There was still enough Frank left in BlueFinger and Seven Fingers to make them great, but nonstop erotic was a bust for me. And don’t get me started on Grand Duchy. Her electronic/synth influence is written all over these.
It’s been noted before that an artist’s pain is what keeps them producing good art. It seems as though Violet makes Charles truly happy, and I am glad for that, because if anyone deserves happiness, it’s him. After all the happiness he’s brought his fans. It just stinks that his happiness seems to conversely affect his art, and then I don’t have my refuge and inspiration in his music. I am hoping that the new Reid Paley team up will be a breath of fresh air and more reminiscent of the Nashville or Catholics era.
I invite your thoughts, but to those who choose to respond, please know that I am not inviting a tongue lashing, I am just being sincere.
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| DruggedBunny |
Posted - 12/21/2011 : 15:15:36
Yeah, anyone put off by the Honeycomb/FM-RM stuff (in many places too non-rock, or just plain dire); or the outright ROCK of Bluefinger (great, but too samey to listen to in one go after a while); Seven Fingers (mostly good, but... not a classic); or NSE (half-good, but... ), at least check out The Golem. It really is excellent -- a GENUINE highlight of Frank's career if you ask me; a diamond in the recent rough!
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| Active Duck |
Posted - 12/20/2011 : 14:07:49
What you just typed matches fairly closely to my feelings and.. well... give Golem a spin. |
| gary13th |
Posted - 12/20/2011 : 13:25:07
i'm probably another uber-fan, i used to get all the cd varients, rarities etc etc
i havent really been impressed much since SMYT - which was a great album where the songs performed live on tour were great.
The mixture of lyrics with the music on the catholics songs were great in most part, I adjusted my musical taste like others have said from DITS onwards with the country rock edge coming in. The songs performed live with the catholics live were great as you didnt know on the songs if Rich would jump on the keyboard, lead guitar or pedal steel, like Dave Phillips either on lead or pedal steel, mixing the songs up just slighly with the slight variation in instruments. Honeycomb and FM/RM just went too country and... just didnt connect with me at all, despite multiple listens. The new tracks on Christmass i really enjoyed, Bluefinger was good on the first few listens but i kinda went off it. I have heard tracks from SVNfingers and NSE but it didnt really appeal.... Havent tried Golem. Quite enjoyed 1st Grand Duchy album but ... still a bit lacking really.
I hope theres a turnaround soon, i remember buying Teenager, COR, FB&TC, etc on the day of release and playing them on repeat, its just a shame that FB has had a lull really, hopefully some new inspiration will happen soon.
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I joined the Cult of the Catholics, Oh when will they return ? |
| pot |
Posted - 12/20/2011 : 12:56:53
Not sure this Paley and Francis thing really works in this clip they just posted on facebook. Paley always looks really tense meanwhile Frank's just taking it in his stride. I'm not sure they really gel together on stage and to be honest you see bands as good as this down Whistle Binkie's on a saturday. Saying that though the songs aren't band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tXCAUECuco&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tXCAUECuco&feature=channel_video_title |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 12/18/2011 : 08:01:15
Whatever bro. I'm on this site for the same reason. I've never had a tiff with anyone around here until you. You can't call someone out and expect them not to respond. Given the content of your first message, I think commenting on your english was totally warranted. And not once have I told anyone what to say. Not one single time. Not even close. Read my comments again if you don't believe me. Not once.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
| onyone |
Posted - 12/18/2011 : 06:25:37
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
Onyone. You did not post an opinion. You posted an insult. You did not post in English, therefore it did not require a grammatical correction. You called me out and insulted me and expected to get away with it. You are a troll, and congratulations sir - here I am, taking the bait. I would bet the farm that you are a hipster of some sort pretending to be from Yugoslavia. Your phrasing is too obvious. I have had many a wonderful conversation on these boards until you showed up. If I want to have a troll argument I'll go over to foxnews.com which I assume is where you've been for the last couple of weeks. I'm out of here indefinitely. This used to be a decent board.
In my homeland, we also have a good ole homespun turn of phrase. It starts with an F and ends with a U.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
I am sorry to make you mad I don't want to make enemy. I come on this site to make friend with Frank Black fans. When you make fun of my English it did hurted my feelings. When you tell other people what they should say it like you think you king of all these message board. but I have no bad feeling at you Johnnyribcage, except that you think Honeycomb best Frank Black album. Please accept apology |
| Valhalla |
Posted - 12/18/2011 : 02:37:19
In my opinion, what is lacking is a good "acoustic/lead guitar band" as the Catholics were. I am not a big fan of only one rhythm guitar plus bass guitar songs. I absolutely love FB's song "Do what you want Gyaneshwar", especially the YouTube-Version. The acoustic guitar playing is so excellent. I whish FB would write more songs like these. The Christmas album is just magic :-)
My favourite FB songs since 2005 are:
In the time of my ruin
It's just not your moment
Do what you want Guyineshwar
Don't get me wrong
Blizard 1989
Stars (from Golem) - absolutely brilliant song!
I wonder, why these great songs are not mentioned by others very often...
 "You take the moon, I'll take the sun"
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| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 12/17/2011 : 22:42:26
Onyone. You did not post an opinion. You posted an insult. You did not post in English, therefore it did not require a grammatical correction. You called me out and insulted me and expected to get away with it. You are a troll, and congratulations sir - here I am, taking the bait. I would bet the farm that you are a hipster of some sort pretending to be from Yugoslavia. Your phrasing is too obvious. I have had many a wonderful conversation on these boards until you showed up. If I want to have a troll argument I'll go over to foxnews.com which I assume is where you've been for the last couple of weeks. I'm out of here indefinitely. This used to be a decent board.
In my homeland, we also have a good ole homespun turn of phrase. It starts with an F and ends with a U.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
| onyone |
Posted - 12/17/2011 : 13:22:27
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by theonecontender
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
I think you're off base with the Violet comments however, and they are a little rude considering the man himself reads this blog.
I'm jumping in here a little late, but I just wanted to remind you that this is a fan board. The OP (and anyone else for that matter) should be able to write their opinions about FB and his music without feeling the need to appease the man.
And might I remind you that I too am allowed to write my opinion, which I did. Might I also remind you that I did not in any way suggest that the OP's opinion was without merit, only that I disagreed and thought the Yoko comparison was a little harsh. I can voice my opinions without feeling the need to appease your particular sensibilities. Similar to the Grammer Police, many people insist on seeking opportunities to explain to others, often strangers, the apparently complex and subtle concept of opinions.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
In my homeland we have expression "rugala se šerpa loncu, a i ona garava" which in English mean (I try best translate) "a pot that call kettle black". I not know how to best explain. It when someone say one thing to mean something but make self sound like have mental handicap |
| Ten Percenter |
Posted - 12/17/2011 : 10:27:44
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Originally posted by Stuart
I kind of think that Catholics were on a downturn when they disbanded.. SMYT was a weak offering in my opinion. BLD would have been better if shorter. I dunno... I find it hard to criticize the man as he is obviously a genius, but it seems like each album these days is getting weaker.. Paley and Francis is a struggle to listen to imo.
Because your candle burned too bright, that I almost forgot it was twilight
Sacrilege, Clopser! SMYT is a work of (near) genius. Your judgement has clearly been impaired by your inveterate placing of your ringpiece on the noses of others. As for Paley & Francis, I think it is quite an easy listen, but unfortunately not that demanding either. Kind of middling - a bit like your clopsing technique.
"I had finally reached bedrock, and was dangerously addicted to Grand Duchy. Luckily Dean checked me in to the Petits Fours Clinic" |
| Stuart |
Posted - 12/14/2011 : 03:04:38
I kind of think that Catholics were on a downturn when they disbanded.. SMYT was a weak offering in my opinion. BLD would have been better if shorter. I dunno... I find it hard to criticize the man as he is obviously a genius, but it seems like each album these days is getting weaker.. Paley and Francis is a struggle to listen to imo.
Because your candle burned too bright, that I almost forgot it was twilight |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 12/12/2011 : 19:34:46
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Originally posted by theonecontender
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
I think you're off base with the Violet comments however, and they are a little rude considering the man himself reads this blog.
I'm jumping in here a little late, but I just wanted to remind you that this is a fan board. The OP (and anyone else for that matter) should be able to write their opinions about FB and his music without feeling the need to appease the man.
And might I remind you that I too am allowed to write my opinion, which I did. Might I also remind you that I did not in any way suggest that the OP's opinion was without merit, only that I disagreed and thought the Yoko comparison was a little harsh. I can voice my opinions without feeling the need to appease your particular sensibilities. Similar to the Grammer Police, many people insist on seeking opportunities to explain to others, often strangers, the apparently complex and subtle concept of opinions.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
| theonecontender |
Posted - 12/12/2011 : 04:05:30
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
I think you're off base with the Violet comments however, and they are a little rude considering the man himself reads this blog.
I'm jumping in here a little late, but I just wanted to remind you that this is a fan board. The OP (and anyone else for that matter) should be able to write their opinions about FB and his music without feeling the need to appease the man.
But back to the topic at hand.. I often have a negative feeling about FB's tunes when they first come out, and then warm to them overtime. I think it comes with the superfan territory (sorry, I couldn't bring myself to use an umlaut). But ultimately, it varies with each releases' songwriting, recording quality, my general mood, and a bunch of other things.
Out of the newer recordings, I really dig seven fingers and golem. I think I would like Paley & Francis a whole lot more if it weren't for the production value (and to be honest, I find Spooner Oldham's keys to be extremely distracting in places). If anyone has some good recording of this material live, it would be appreciated.
1c |
| oldmandavid |
Posted - 12/04/2011 : 11:14:06
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Originally posted by gotmeamovie
i think his work is always stellar, but i was listening to bossanova last night, and well those songs make you feel something outside of your body, i dont think he has written any songs like that since christmass. i dunno nse feels, warmed over?
dead mans curve is about a million times better on christmass
"I could take a walk and really wonder, really wonder"
I agree, the Christmas version of deadman's curve has yet to be topped. It's awesome and it's the best. Something was definitely lost when it was done with the electric guitar. |
| gotmeamovie |
Posted - 11/19/2011 : 10:21:04
i think his work is always stellar, but i was listening to bossanova last night, and well those songs make you feel something outside of your body, i dont think he has written any songs like that since christmass. i dunno nse feels, warmed over?
dead mans curve is about a million times better on christmass
"I could take a walk and really wonder, really wonder" |
| Sam |
Posted - 11/16/2011 : 21:30:59
Yep - there is a version on one of the podcasts which is guitar based. Cool as well but i prefer the Christmass one.
If you have the christmass dvd you can hear the other version playing at the title screen. |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 11/16/2011 : 13:52:34
quote:
Originally posted by Sam
Hi Velvety - i'm referring to the Christmass version. Where the only instrumentation is provided by vocals.
Hell I didn't know there was another version besides the Christmass one.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
| Sam |
Posted - 11/15/2011 : 22:37:53
Hi Velvety - i'm referring to the Christmass version. Where the only instrumentation is provided by vocals. |
| velvety |
Posted - 11/15/2011 : 12:29:56
'Radio Lizards - acapella' version??? Could someone make this available or is it part of single FB released?
As for the topic at hand, I'd agree with Brank_Frank, the post (including) Bluefinger era is my favourite FB era since TOTY. Bluefinger, The Golem and too a lesser extent, NSE, are records that I keep coming back to.
But then, I never was a big Catholics fan, like most of you seem to be. Great live band, but apart from Dog in the Sand, those albums were always too hit or miss. Kind of like FM/RM, but with more nerve. |
| Sam |
Posted - 11/15/2011 : 03:59:08
I think FBF will be back with a blinding record soon. NSE did nothing for me, Golem made me very happy. Hang around, there's something for everyone.
Lonesome Fetter
How i wish i could stay
Your mouth into mine
Demon Girl
Radio Lizards - acapella version
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| Brank_Flack |
Posted - 11/12/2011 : 12:55:13
I also wouldn't say I'm disappointed with his recent work, Bluefinger and Svn Fngrs are two of my favourite FB albums, and the Golem and NSE both have many great songs. I would say that apart from the Dog in the Sand/Black Letter Days/Show Me Your Tears run, the post (and including) bluefinger era is my favourite FB era since after Teenager. i enjoy the new Black Francis persona and this many of the songs released during this period are among his best work.
I'll also attempt a top 5:
Threshold
Don't Get Me Wrong
Six Legged Man
Bad News
Miriam and Florian |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 11/12/2011 : 11:02:42
The Golem was pretty good. 'Svn Fngrs' is my favourite out of the last few years, I think.
I can't remember when I listened to 'Honeycomb' or 'Fastman Raiderman' last. There were some very good songs on both, and some rather forgettable tracks too. It's a shame really... many great musicians, but the arrangements and production really show up the fact that the albums were made in a short space of time.
The big factor is the Pixies reunion. It's actually taken up quite a lot of FB's time. Plus I guess it's been fairly lucrative (long overdue), which must have taken the pressure off his own output. So he can probably afford to be a bit more playful than before. |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 11/12/2011 : 06:13:36
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage
LOL now you're just being a goofball! 
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
So let me get this straight. Onyone is basically saying, "Me goofball, you retarded".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHWbsvgQUE
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Ed is the hoo hoo |
| Llamadance |
Posted - 11/12/2011 : 06:01:32
Honeycomb was good at the time, but I never go back to listen to it.
FMRM was awful. I even forced myself to listen and cringed all the way through. Maybe a couple of good tracks, but it really is the nadir of his career.
I don't think I've given The Golem enough of a listen to fully appreciate it, which is daft really. NSE and SvnFngrs both had some great tracks on them. Bluefinger was great.
Favourite post Catholic tracks?
When They Come To Murder Me
Dead Man's Curve (live)
Corrina
Discotheque 36
She's My Way
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| Jose Jones |
Posted - 11/12/2011 : 02:52:36
then johnny weismuller it is.
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they were the heroes of old, men of renown. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 21:49:21
Not Floop.
 "Now you're officially my woman. Kudos. I can't say I don't envy you." |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 21:11:00
Onyone is either floop or Johnny Weismuller. I can't decide which.
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Ed is the hoo hoo |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 20:19:16
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Originally posted by onyone
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
So of everyone I personally know who likes FB, 100% of them really like Honeycomb.
I wonder how onyone feels about that?
I'm sure he feels that my friends are retarded as well.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
If friend like Honeycomb then probably also yes. Not want to sound offensive (how do you say?) but yes, your friend, if like Honeycomb all of your friend are probably (how you say) retarded. Moron? Sorry my English not good. I apologize
LOL now you're just being a goofball!
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
| onyone |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 19:00:16
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
quote:
Originally posted by johnnyribcage
So of everyone I personally know who likes FB, 100% of them really like Honeycomb.
I wonder how onyone feels about that?
I'm sure he feels that my friends are retarded as well.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
If friend like Honeycomb then probably also yes. Not want to sound offensive (how do you say?) but yes, your friend, if like Honeycomb all of your friend are probably (how you say) retarded. Moron? Sorry my English not good. I apologize
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| BLT |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 05:34:26
Freebird
China Grove
Smoke on the Water
Fool for the City
Fox on the Run Stranglehold |
| johnnyribcage |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 16:45:04
My goodness, I really have too many to list. A much much much shorter list would be the songs I'm not thrilled with.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
| Mac E. Doobage |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 16:25:01
In the time of my ruin
Elijah |
| darwin |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 16:05:53
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Post-Catholics top 5:
1) Don't Get Me Wrong
As our esteemed Brian Salvatore wrote recently, the lyrics for that song were mostly written by Reid Paley. Still a great song though.
http://thewaster.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1892:paley-a-francis&catid=4:columns&Itemid=42 |
| Jose Jones |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 12:57:31
that's right, we're turning this thread into a "bask in the glory of this latter BFB period" series of lists and hyperbolic gushing.
top songs off the top of my head:
she's my way
radio lizards
i burn today
selkie bride
sing for joy
another velvet nightmare
honeycomb
if your poison gets you
fast man
you can't crucify yourself
wanderlust
don't cry that way
it's just not your moment
lolita
threshold apprehension
garbage heap
half man
bad news
oh how i wish i could stay
stars
astaroth
dead man's curve
corrina
six legged man
nonstoperotic
the water
ghost coming
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| The Holiday Son |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 09:42:42
1) Dead Man's Curve
then :
Johnny Barleycorn
Seven Days
The Water
When They Come to Murder Me |
