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| Newo |
Posted - 02/03/2007 : 08:19:42
I know there already exists a topic about the GRAW2 soundtrack Stooges song but my opinion feels to have nothing to do with the consensus formed by the posts in that thread (save for that of Danjersey) so a note to say haaaaaaang on: Frank Black has made a soundtrack for kids to pretend to be marines running around killing people to? shit I know he's got a family but does he need the loot that badly?
Marines are trained on video games like this one to prepare them for when they get flown out to some farflung country to bomb and shoot people; like we don't have enough bloodshed on this planet that kids can spend their Saturday afternoon honing their homicidal skills in front of a monitor.
What it comes down to is having relations with an enterprise of that nature is Frank's decision and therefore none of my business - the flipside of that is I will say what I do or don't want to be a part of, and that guy will not see another cent from me for his recordings or his shows.
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| Carl |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 12:38:03
Here's a guy having a rant at Frank/Pixies for sanctioning the use of Tame in that Smirnoff ad:
http://brokenfm.blogspot.com/2007/03/man-1-pixies-0.html
And here's another blog thing about selling out that I came across...
http://troester.blogspot.com/2007/03/quick-note-on-selling-out-since-they.html |
| black franciscan |
Posted - 02/20/2007 : 06:57:23
I live in a town where Video game companies are big employers - GTA started life here in Dundee, Scotland.
I get told, because i'm in illustration and design, I should get into that market but i'm wary of it for many of the reasons you folks have mentioned.
There's no getting away that this stuff has an strong negative effect on some kids - even older kids who should know better - but by some quirk of nature, it has no effect on others who can rationalise it all for what it is. Fantasy.
It makes me feel uneasy to admit to myself that I enjoy 'Goodfellas' - but I rationalise it as almost a morbid fascination. Also, there is no way you could watch that movie and think being a 'wise guy' is a good thing to be. It's a 'live by the sword, die by the sword' situation, and that is clear.
What worries me with the computer game industry is that the inevitable end will be photo real characters. Even putting a photo real version of yourself (or someone else) in the game. The technology is there, it's only a matter of time.
At the end of the day I wouldn't endorse a game like that encourages that kind of violence. But then who cares if I do?
However, Frank, in admittedly a relatively minor way, 'has' endorsed the game - and because of his status he has to accept 'some' level of responsibility. Maybe a lot of you don't care what he does away from his albums but this 'celebreties' sell - the advertising world wouldn't waste the millions they do on celebrities if they didn't - so he actions have repercussions and he's responsible for that - that is the life that he has chosen.
I'd be interested in what Franks views are - and I don't think that that is an unreasonable of me?
Me buying his records doesn't make him my slave but - he has 'some' level of responsibility to his fans.
I won't stop buying his stuff though. I take music on a 'song by song' basis. Just because I liked the last album doesn't mean I'll like the next - and unless it recognisably manifests itself in his writing his politics are his own business.
Sorry for the long post but this seems to have been quite an emotive subject.
And why not.
My mind is like the ocean...
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| Carl |
Posted - 02/10/2007 : 09:00:09
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Originally posted by Grotesque
GTA is outrageously fun and stupid.
I played it with a bunch of drunked punks (it fits well to punk humor).
That game shows more than any independant movie the degree of desesperation and morbid materialism of our rotten society.
Anarchy!!! And Gus Van Saint is useless.
It also argueably trivialises gang violence and makes it seem fun and acceptable to kids. Not to come over all morally superior. I mean, I have played some of the GTA series. |
| houstonguthrie |
Posted - 02/09/2007 : 16:40:10
just watched it again - you know what would be cool -
I don't have the computer savvy to do it - but one of you guys aught to put a FRANK tune to this commercial - that might bring a little ease to Newo's mind
I don't think "Gimme Danger" is quite the right tune though - what should it be?? hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
how about "My Terrible Ways" naw - maybe........"Bad Wicked World"......naw......how about "Better Things"...or "Horrible Day"...
or......"Sing For Joy"
while I'm on this train of thought - why don't one of you put a Frank tune to the Kevin Federline "Popozao" clip?? |
| houstonguthrie |
Posted - 02/09/2007 : 16:29:31
I just found a link to it - it was on Youtube of course
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ieSzsh4hJWI |
| houstonguthrie |
Posted - 02/09/2007 : 16:23:25
my gut reaction when I first heard the guy's point was "awww come on man - it's a video game - get a grip!!"
when I watched it a second time I saw his point - I could understand where he was coming from - but I still don't hold anything against Frank for doing it
but that's not why I chimed in tonight - I chimed in because some of you are mentioning GTA. I don't play video games - but I used to watch a buddy of mine play GTA at his place and he had all the cheats or whatever and I used to watch him just run through the city and wreak havoc and I was simutaneously amazed and disgusted.
I was wondering if any of you caught the Coke Superbowl commercial that was done in the GTA style. It had the GTA guy running through the city doing his usual killing and mayhem - then he drinks a coke and becomes a do-gooder. He gives his jacket to a homeless guy and helps people out and all of this kind of thing. As well as a whole bunch of other things just about like this.
I'm not writing to give some great message or anything - I just thought it was a cool commercial and was wondering what ya'll thought of it. Cuz when I saw it I thought "YEAH!!!" And in all the hubbub since the Superbowl where they size up the commercials and what not I've not seen this one even mentioned.
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| Grotesque |
Posted - 02/09/2007 : 12:57:12
GTA is outrageously fun and stupid.
I played it with a bunch of drunked punks (it fits well to punk humor).
That game shows more than any independant movie the degree of desesperation and morbid materialism of our rotten society.
Anarchy!!! And Gus Van Saint is useless. |
| Carl |
Posted - 02/09/2007 : 11:59:13
Maybe an alien virus has gotten into Frank.
An alien virus that is causing him promote war games! |
| Jefrey |
Posted - 02/09/2007 : 00:36:23
GTA is kind of a weird, on-the-fence kind of game for me in this argument.
I played it and at first found it revolting, especially that kids would be able to play it. But the violence is so over the top and cartoony that it's almost funny. The game is not realistic in any way. The biggest problem I have with the game is that it sucks. I didn;t find it fun to play at all. The controls are shitty, and the in-game missions are tedious and boring to repeat over and over till you get them right.
Ultimately it's the parent's responsibility to make sure kids know right from wrong (and reality from fantasy) before the opportunity to play these games comes into their hands. In this day, it's probably impossible to keep kids from playing the games, so education is the most important thing.
I still think the realistic war games are kind of sick. Even "Metal Gear Solid" made me feel queesy. But actually reenacting a historical battle, running around killing human beings - I don't think it's healthy.
I think that's the point people are trying to make. Is FB in a way supporting the virtual killing of people? If you're a parent, does that concern you? Or is it no big deal, it's just a game. I don't think this is a stupid topic at all. It's totally worthy of discussion.
Violence, sex and death have always been topics of FB's music, so if you're a parent, you might as well ask yourself when it's appropriate to start letting your kids listen to Pixies. Or the Doors, or what have you. We all have bands that we think are exceptional, but probably would need a bit of explaining to a wide eyed kid.
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| kelladwella |
Posted - 02/08/2007 : 23:35:11
Which features lots of G T & A coastline mentioned in his post. |
| Born to Lose |
Posted - 02/08/2007 : 15:07:36
I believe he means 'Grand Theft Auto', a series of popular but extremely violent video games. |
| coastline |
Posted - 02/08/2007 : 09:31:57
GTA? Girls, tits and ass?
 Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
| Carl |
Posted - 02/08/2007 : 08:56:32
The GTA games are totally sociopatic, and feature music and vocal contributions from any number of recording artists. |
| coastline |
Posted - 02/08/2007 : 08:55:42
You're putting words in my mouth, mixedbizz. I didn't ask Frank Black (er, Black Francis, I guess it is now) to raise my kids. Where, in this thread, do you find me saying that? What I said was I don't intend to introduce this type of video game to my kids. And in a completely different part of the conversation, I mentioned my unease with him being involved with the game -- that comment was based on my distaste for violent video games, regardless of my being a parent.
Be disgusted with this thread all you want, but don't invent something that's not there and then rail against that.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
| mixedbizz |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 17:30:58
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Originally posted by coastline
Nobody said they're going to take away your shoot-em-up games, Someone. I guarantee you'll always get to play them.
And it isn't about whether my kids are dumb enough to go out and kill people or not -- it's about whether I think something (in this case a video game) is going to help me raise them in the ways I've determined to be make them valuable members of society.
It's not Frank Black's (or Sony's) job to raise your kids, much less make them "valuable members of society."
This thread just gets worse and worse.
By the way, since the song on the game is a Stooges song, that means Iggy had to sign off on it too. So don't forget to throw him on the fire.
Personally I don't look for political idealism in a rock musician. It tends to muck up the works (I won't name names). |
| remig |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 15:54:26
you've got me simon. |
| floop |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 14:18:50
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Originally posted by Newo
I could care less if you want to spend all day playing a wargame called Run Sand-Nigra Run while drinking a glass of goat's blood, it is none of my business.
damn straight it's none of your business |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 12:34:28
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Originally posted by remig
(I suspect Teafer to be Worries have Worries, the one who disliked the 2003 FBC show at the Bataclan so much)
I suspect Rémi in the library with the candlestick.
 Numberwang? |
| ProverbialCereal |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 11:43:40
Maybe Frank should have covered a song for a Nintendo Wii game. Then everyone would have been like "aw that is so harmless and fun." Then Frank's kids would go bowling and golfing because the video game influenced them to.
I just hope Frank Black's children don't grow up wanting to hurt people because their father covered a song for a violent video game trailer. [emphasis on sarcasm. don't take literally. just a joke] |
| Newo |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 07:40:48
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Do you really oppose all war games? No squirt guns, halo 2, or the board game risk? Are you in favor of a society where all simulated violence is eliminated? Don't you think that we are sophisticated enough as humans to make our own decisions? Or do you think that we are so impressionable that we need to walked through life with a hand to hold so we don't go astray?
yikes, the conclusions some folks leap to. did I say eliminate anything? did I mention making anyone's decision for them? or that I felt the need to walk anyone through life? no, no and no. I only stated what I did or didn't feel comfortable involving myself with.
I could care less if you want to spend all day playing a wargame called Run Sand-Nigra Run while drinking a glass of goat's blood, it is none of my business.
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| coastline |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 06:41:41
Nobody said they're going to take away your shoot-em-up games, Someone. I guarantee you'll always get to play them.
And it isn't about whether my kids are dumb enough to go out and kill people or not -- it's about whether I think something (in this case a video game) is going to help me raise them in the ways I've determined to be make them valuable members of society. We do play the board game Risk in our family. It's a great strategy game, and it helps my kids learn how to think ahead. But Risk is a far cry from realistic graphic simulations of killing. There's a huge difference there. It's silly of you to compare them.
Whatever happened to Pong?
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
| Someone |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 06:27:11
Are you kidding me? There is some mis directed anger here. The problem is that Bush is an a-hole, that the military recruits poor people by luring them with money and a college education and flashy adds, and that in today' world there is just a lot of violence. It has nothing to do with a video game or a soundtrack to it. I like these type of games. I have no inclination to go kill people. If you think your kid is dumb enough to wanna run out and kill someone after playing a video game then maybe you shouldn't let him play it.
Do you really oppose all war games? No squirt guns, halo 2, or the board game risk? Are you in favor of a society where all simulated violence is eliminated? Don't you think that we are sophisticated enough as humans to make our own decisions? Or do you think that we are so impressionable that we need to walked through life with a hand to hold so we don't go astray?
I am just happy that there is one more frank song in the world. |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 21:12:56
quote:
Originally posted by Mac E. Doobage
Awww, it's just a pro war ad, not a video game.
Thanks for the contribution. How long did it take you to come up with that?
Unicorns and brownies |
| Mac E. Doobage |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 21:11:41
Whereyabeen, right? |
| Newo |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 15:20:04
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Also, if feeling so strongly about this, wouldn't you wish all others followed your lead? In which case that artist would never see another cent for any of their art ever again.
I feel the last thing this planet needs is more leaders. I have a healthy respect for large chaotic bunches of people you can't rally together into a common consensus, then I feel they're doing what pleases them instead of what they feel might please the herd.
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| Newo |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 15:07:50
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surprise surprise Yann chips in with nothing but a snide aside.
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glad to see you've got it all figured out. have fun inside your protective shell of sarcasm.
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I'm sure you have more fun in your shell of Light and Truth.
here's what I've noticed: every once in a while I post an article/opinion about nefarious doings in high places real or imaginary and we trade snooty remarks with each other. So now I have made up a story where you are bitter and sarcastic and you have one where I am a petty and selfrighteous crusader. I could continue in this way and make up a more elaborate insult but I feel like the more I do, the more I'm merely picking up on something I don't like about myself and passing it your way, like I've swallowed venom but think it's you that's going to get sick. So anyway, peace.
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| darwin |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 14:17:03
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Originally posted by Newo
These days I'm trying to cultivate some more gentleness in my life, and when I saw that clip, something in me said "stay away." Though like Erebus sez, we're far from rational and I'm the last person to claim to be such a tightly integrated system that I have rock-solid beliefs, sometimes I feel like a million persons.
It's interesting how many of us are trying to be less combative. Maybe a little verbal combat on the fb.net isn't so bad. Not that I don't like new gentler Erebus. |
| Teafer |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 11:35:49
We FB fans are brothers and sisters and we are doing fine.
we have a little fight then we have a little party then we have a little party, baby
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
| Carl |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 11:12:05
I don't it's fair to label everybody left/right wing. It seems to me that FB is probably pretty liberal, but isn't a radical "fuck the system" kind of guy! |
| Erebus |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 10:31:44
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My own guess, and that is all it is, is that Frank is a left-of-center pragmatist, as opposed to an idealist when it comes to politics.
i clearly remember a doolitle era french interview (les inrocks) where Frank made it quite clear he was plain right wing. i remember him going "you know what really upsets me? just because i play guitar in a band, then everybody assumes what are my political opinions (ie. radical)? fuck it!"
I regret speculating online about Frank's political position. Could and should have made my point without doing so. It's not like I have much more than tea leaves to go on. But it's worth noting that Doolittle is almost twenty years old and that a person can, and should, change a lot between early adulthood and forty. Hell, "even" I went through a muddle-headed period when I was twenty. I was in love and all sorts of insanity ensued.
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| Teafer |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 10:16:34
apologies for the non french
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Originally posted by vilainde
ben si.
J'apprécie la tentative d'humour mais ca fait un peu chier quand même : par ex., des résistants de droite il y en eu et baeucoup en plus, mais des fachos résistants? hum. je dis ca, moi je suis sfio canal historique. mais y faut faire la part des choses. enfin je crois.
unité! Unité! UNITE!
(on est d'accord la dessus au moins?)
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
| floop |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 09:47:56
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surprise surprise Yann chips in with nothing but a snide aside.
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I wish there was more to say.
glad to see you've got it all figured out. have fun inside your protective shell of sarcasm.
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!
I'm sure you have more fun in your shell of Light and Truth.
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i think if you gave it a chance you'd both prefer the chocolate-covered waffle cone shell, with the fudge core |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 09:23:22
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Originally posted by Newo
so if you're looking at me from a logical point of view, it's entirely understandable that you feel I'm too strictly committed/not comitted enough.
I definitely took the never buy again statement literally and I was thinking about the logical implications of it. If you're not going to buy an artist's product due to a moral dilemma, wouldn't you also not wish to propagate anything with which that artist is involved? Fan sites, playing your record collection for friends, radio stations promoting his music etc. Also, if feeling so strongly about this, wouldn't you wish all others followed your lead? In which case that artist would never see another cent for any of their art ever again. In which case said artist would be forced to join the Marines in order to feed his family. I mean if you need a reason never to spend another cent on frank, did you not hear Honeycomb? Ha, just kidding.
Seriously, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm just expounding upon your original statement. For what it's worth, I empathize with your conundrum and it saddens me that frank would lose fans over this.
Unicorns and brownies |
| remig |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 09:10:19
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| Frog in the Sand |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 08:58:20
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surprise surprise Yann chips in with nothing but a snide aside.
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I wish there was more to say.
glad to see you've got it all figured out. have fun inside your protective shell of sarcasm.
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!
I'm sure you have more fun in your shell of Light and Truth.
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