| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Stevio10 |
Posted - 10/13/2005 : 13:17:08
Personally I don't know much about Jon, so I decided to look at some of the bio's etc of him on the net. Apologies if any of this has been posted. 3rd link has some interesting stuff about FB.
http://www.courtrightmgmt.com/producers/jon_tiven_group/biography_jon.html
http://www.5years.com/jontiven73.htm
http://www.celebrityaccess.com/news/profile.html?id=261
Stephen |
| 35 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Grotesque |
Posted - 04/19/2006 : 05:11:35
Good movie. I was especially moved by Rufus and Carla Thomas. They're so true they could kick ass to all the so-called "independent" rockers. To me those people are exactly like Mike Watt.
Something else:
James Brown and Diana Ross didn't want to talk? I guess they don't have easy ways... |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 04/16/2006 : 06:27:03
Hope you enjoyed the Rollins Show performance on IFC last night. I did.
As long as someone is dragging my thread up, I might as well toss in a little self-plugging and let you know that tonight on IFC they're running ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE, a film about veteran soul acts (Wilson Pickett, Sam Moore, Ann Peebles). I produced the music for the film, there are even a few scenes in which I appear (with Mr. Pickett), and it opens with a song I wrote (with my wife Sally and my friend Dan Penn) called "Soul Survivor" sung by W.P. There are some terrific performances in it, particularly Wilson's.
bye,
Jon Tiven
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| Chris Knight |
Posted - 04/15/2006 : 13:40:34
quote:
Originally posted by Ten Percenter
Puppaduck was not Rich G
Here's to Ben! |
| stymie |
Posted - 04/11/2006 : 12:35:01
Honeycomb is the best! |
| untamed youth |
Posted - 04/08/2006 : 11:31:00
Again,I'm just a writer doing some research,but no mention in Tiven's bio of the upcomming Holly Beth Vincent record which he co-produced and played on,just prior to the new Frank record. Especially given her ties to Frank Black [Frank producer-brother Nick Vincent,Eric Feldman,Morris Tepper...]
Great tracks with Frank,by the way! |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 15:49:02
Otherfellers & otherladies,
I didn't want to bust anyone, but that jtanner poster was not me but speaking as if he was me. And I found that puzzling but non-offensive as nothing he said seemed to be negatory. But Noisy as my witness, he is not only not me, he isn't even my alter ego.
bye,
Jon Tiven |
| Otherfellers |
Posted - 10/30/2005 : 14:29:24
jtanner was at any rate... |
| Carl |
Posted - 10/21/2005 : 03:49:20
Maybe puppaduck was Jon Tiven!  |
| Sam |
Posted - 10/21/2005 : 03:46:30
So who was puppaduck? he/she seemed to have some inside info. |
| Ten Percenter |
Posted - 10/19/2005 : 09:58:06
Puppaduck was not Rich G
"Fried food, cigarettes, no exercise, chest pain..." (Excerpt from the Angina Monologues) |
| VoVat |
Posted - 10/19/2005 : 07:55:45
I agree that DITS sounds better, but Honeycomb is still pretty cool. I think part of my preference for DITS might be due more to the variety of instruments used than to the production value, though.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
| Carl |
Posted - 10/19/2005 : 06:49:42
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
I don't think so. Rich's username is RichG anyway.
True enough. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 10/19/2005 : 06:41:16
I don't remember this conclusion being reached either, though I remember the theory...
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
| vilainde |
Posted - 10/19/2005 : 06:13:42
I don't think so. Rich's username is RichG anyway.
Denis
"You know what? You know what? You know what? Shut the fuck up!" |
| Carl |
Posted - 10/19/2005 : 05:46:05
Yeah, I think it was! |
| Sam |
Posted - 10/19/2005 : 05:20:47
Hey guys was it not concluded that Puppaduck was in fact Rich Gilbert? |
| DickJustice |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 19:33:29
Mr. Tiven:
Thank you for your valuable contributions. You seem to be a prickly sunavabitch, and I suspect, based on your postings, a laid-back Midwestern-bred guy like me wouldn't get along with you. I also suspect, based on everything I know, that I wouldn't be likely to pal around with Frank Black either. But I'm here in this forum, aren't I? I Must be here because... uh... I dig his music. (And I'm enough of a fan that I'm willing to explore topics that include his producers, and their careers.)
So, who cares? That just makes you two colorful, interesting characters who create brilliant music that I generally enjoy. (I don't mean to imply that you two are similar; rather that you seem to be similarly different from me.) Who you are, Mr. Tiven, makes for a goddamn great producer, and I'm pleased as punch that you're generous enough to share your thoughts with us. So, thanks.
And, goodness gracious, maybe I've gotten you all wrong. And maybe you're just instictively bristling, as any human would, at the real or perceived slights against you that would occur on any Internet forum where your name was brought in.
And perhaps I have no business making personal commentary about somebody I've never met.
The last statement strikes me as the most true, so I'll stick by that one. |
| Adam |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 09:20:48
JT,
Thanks for the discography. That is some interesting stuff. Because of you being on this site, I picked your Blue Guru album w/Ego Trip and Ellis Hooks "Uncomplicated". I'm always interested in getting info on new bands/music. I've also been turned onto Tom Waits and Knife & Fork while at FB.net.
Free the Heel! |
| billgoodman |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 08:44:44
It still seems that puppaduck is an insider!
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God save the Noisies |
| floop |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 07:34:46
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
they weren't recorded in the same conditions at all.
but you can compare them for that reason |
| vilainde |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 02:29:32
You can't really compare DiTS and HC in terms of production, they weren't recorded in the same conditions at all. I agree about DiTS having an incredibly good sound. SMYT comes pretty close.
Denis
"You know what? You know what? You know what? Shut the fuck up!" |
| Jason |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 02:00:45
quote:
Originally posted by spaceghost11
Also, isn't it interesting that such a strange, strange man like JT would catch FB's attention...makes one wonder.
Over two years ago, deep in the jungles of the "King Holds Court" thread, on Sept 17, 2003, before we knew anything of Honeycomb, I asked Frank this question:
quote:
Just in case Frank isn't sick of the board yet - I'm curious how Jon Tiven ended up working on the "Headache" b-sides. He's an interesting fella. (I've never met him, though.)
And do you have any favorite truck stops in Texas?
Frank never answered by Jon Tiven question. Or my truck stop question. Or, for that matter, anyone's questions for, like, the next 15 pages of the thread. Too busy livin', rockin', divorcin', and Pixies reunion negotiatin', I suppose.
I do believe Jon Tiven has posted here about how he and Frank started working together. Tracks for an Otis Blackwell tribute album, if I remember correctly. |
| floop |
Posted - 10/17/2005 : 21:31:50
to me DITS is one of richest recordings in Frank's catalog. i'm not sure what the technical specs were for Honeycomb, but this topic sheds some light on why DITS arguably sounds better than some of the other live-to-2-track albums
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2012 |
| spaceghost11 |
Posted - 10/17/2005 : 20:45:53
Does anyone else think that DITS sounds better than Honeycomb?--I personally dislike the mix in HC; it's really sleepy. Also, isn't it interesting that such a strange, strange man like JT would catch FB's attention...makes one wonder. |
| 1965 |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 19:18:14
I don't really understand the anti-JT vibe either, I must have missed something. I have never met him [and assume 95% of people on here have not either] so my judgement of Jon is limited to reading his misc posts and insights on Honeycomb, which I find interesting, eg. Having FB personally play you MY LIFE IS IN STORAGE & HONEYCOMB three different ways would be a dream. You're a lucky guy. Thanks for your thoughts on the forum.
** I’m a snake oh yes I’m very smart ** |
| Suicide_Samurai |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 14:10:44
Dear Rodney, When you shave me, shave my balls. |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 13:42:33
Thank you Jason. Really. I mean that very sincerely.
I informed you all earlier, I am a polarizing and controversial individual. It's a function of my personality. I'm not running for Justice of the Supreme Court here, I'm just a producer trying to do my job and protect my reputation. And I'm channelling Rodney Dangerfield at the same time.
Back when I lived in NYC, Rodney used to frequent my health club, we shared a jacuzzi bath on many occasions. He was usually very grouchy---although I never spoke to him he would grouse at the other individuals who would.
Respect is very important.
love,
Jon Tiven |
| Jason |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 12:41:11
i LOVE Jon Tiven's presence here. His manner of posting has never, ever, not even once slightly offended me and I think it's funny how angry and hopelessly frustrated some people here get over him. It's more entertaining than another "Top 5 Frank Black songs" topic, that's fer sure! |
| ScottP |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 12:23:16
Why does he keep pounding us with his cred? I think that is hilarious!
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| fbc |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 11:51:39
Is it okay if we take this to General Chat?
This thread started so positively but because of the JT Factor quickly descended into more 'madness'.
Tre is right, this is an issue that needs resolving in some way.
As a member of this fine forum, I feel i'm being judged by my posts to JT and am being thought of as someone on an imaginary opposite side to those who have been offended by some of his comments. These are people I respect and like in equal measures. This feeling sucks! |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 11:16:36
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
...when misinformation about myself is posted, I bristle. Believe what you want to believe about me, what I have done, and what kind of person I am. I will answer questions that I feel are legit, and ignore those I feel insulting. Fair?
I don't blame you and that is all I ask regarding ignoring (and yes, I know that you do your share of ignoring which I appreciate).
quote:
Originally posted by Jontiven
... and if you want to get offended and pick nits because I listed that I was a producer on the French TOTY ...
Isn't this just continuing to fan the flames?
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
| Jontiven |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 10:58:29
If you want to know about me, ask me. I have deliberate tried to avoid fame and not have myths built up about my accomplishments. So when misinformation about myself is posted, I bristle. Believe what you want to believe about me, what I have done, and what kind of person I am. I will answer questions that I feel are legit, and ignore those I feel insulting. Fair?
And as far as "Bragging," this is a Jon Tiven Stuff thread. I thought it might be appropriate to list my recorded accomplishments to balance out the misinformation. Anyone who took the time to examine my discography can see whether it's accurate or not, and if you want to get offended and pick nits because I listed that I was a producer on the French TOTY, if you check the credits for several of my tribute cds there are coproducers along with me on some of them.
I attempted to be consistent. Should I NOT have listed it?
And Starmekitten, I have tiptoed around people who I could easily have been more dismissive of considering how offensive the posted material was. I never called anyone mean. I just thanked the folks who were nice. I'm trying to ignore the rest. If you want to be personally offended, it is your right.
But how would you like it if I knew your real name and posted an article written about you that was libelous and covered everything including your bowel movements and sexual exploits in a totally defamatory way?
Is your skin so thick that this would not offend you? In a thread purporting you to be the focus?
I don't seek fans, sycophants, or followers. I produce records and keep my head down. But when people write about me, it should be accurate. I'm perfectly capable and willing to supply more than enough information about myself to satisfy even the most devoted Frank Black fan, and I think I've demonstrated that.
Here's another short one from my files:
SONGS RECORDED BY
B.B. KING WILSON PICKETT ROBERT CRAY MAVIS STAPLES
KOKO TAYLOR JIM CARROLL BAND BEN E. KING HUEY LEWIS & THE NEWS
BUDDY GUY SHEMEKIA COPELAND DEBBIE DAVIES JOHNNY KEMP
SON SEALS TAB BENOIT KENNY NEAL ALEX CHILTON
JANITA CHUCK JACKSON JEFF LANG SCOTT HOLT
PAXTON RICK DERRINGER TINSLEY ELLIS RICK DERRINGER
IRMA THOMAS MICHELLE WILLSON IAN MOSS JIMMY WITHERSPOON
TROY TURNER RONNIE SPECTOR SIR MACK RICE BILLIE RAY MARTIN
SKULL DONNIE FRITTS THE YANKEES JAMES ARMSTRONG
JON TIVEN GROUP NATHAN & THE ZYDECO CHA-CHAS
BARRENCE WHITFIELD & THE SAVAGES FREDERICK KNIGHT
LEE KONITZ SYL JOHNSON OTIS CLAY
PRODUCER OF
ROBERT PLANT CHRISSIE HYNDE B.B. KING WILLIE NELSON
IGGY POP WILSON PICKETT DON COVAY DEBORAH HARRY
ROBERT CRAY MARK KNOPFLER JOHN PRINE KRIS KRISTOFFERSON
FRANK BLACK JOHNNY WINTER DAVID BOWIE DAVID SANBORN
NICK LOWE TONY JOE WHITE DAN PENN VERNON REID/COREY GLOVER
RON WOOD MICK TAYLOR PAUL RODGERS SIR MACK RICE
JON SPENCER TODD RUNDGREN BILLY SQUIER BOBBY WOMACK
BOBBY BARE TOM VERLAINE JOE ELY GRAHAM PARKER
PAXTON STEVE CROPPER ZUCCHERO DELBERT McCLINTON
KIM WILSON ANGELA STREHLI SMITHEREENS MARSHALL CRENSHAW
JOHNNY KEMP CHUCK JACKSON JERRY BUTLER FELIX CAVALIERE
JIM CARROLL POOKIE HUDSON DONNIE FRITTS CHRIS SPEDDING
WILLIE DEVILLE ROGER McGUINN NONA HENDRYX JOE LOUIS WALKER
EDDIE HINTON GARY “U.S” BONDS ALEX CHILTON LEE ROY PARNELL
ANN PEEBLES LEE KONITZ SYL JOHNSON OTIS CLAY
PAUL SHAFFER FREDERICK KNIGHT
AWARDS
TRIPLE W.C. HANDY AWARD WINNER (2000): IT’S HARDER NOW, WILSON PICKETT
(SOUL.BLUES ALBUM OF THE YEAR, COMEBACK OF THE YEAR, SOUL/BLUES PERFORMER)
GRAMMY NOMINATION, TRADITIONAL R&B ALBUM OF THE YEAR (2000) IT’S HARDER NOW,
WILSON PICKETT
GRAMMY AWARD, CONTEMPORARY BLUES ALBUMOF THE YEAR (2000), TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF,
ROBERT CRAY (SONGWRITER)
NAIRD ROCK ALBUM OF THE YEAR (1994) BRACE YOURSELF, TRIBUTE TO OTIS BLACKWELL
NAIRD R&B ALBUM OF THE YEAR (1993) PEOPLE GET READY: THE MUSIC OF CURTIS MAYFIELD
RIAA PLATINUM ALBUM (1989), SEE THE LIGHT, THE JEFF HEALEY BAND
RIAA GOLD ALBUM (1991), HARD AT PLAY, HUEY LEWIS & THE NEWS
DOUBLE PLATINUM ALBUM (1990, AUSTRALIA) AND ARIA AWARD FOR ALBUM OF THE YEAR,
MATCHBOOK, IAN MOSS
GOLD ALBUM (1992, AUSTRALIA), WORLDS AWAY, IAN MOSS
SONGS IN FILMS
SPIES LIKE US, (Warner Brothers, 1985)
ONE MORE SATURDAY NIGHT (Columbia, 1986)
END OF THE LINE (Orion, 1987)
MILES FROM HOME, (Cinecom, 1988)
MY MOM’S A WEREWOLF, (Indie, 1989)
ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE, (Miramax, 2002)
love,
Jon Tiven
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| fbc |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 10:51:08
Maybe we could start here: "little sycophants"
Tre, is this what you really think of us? |
| fbc |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 10:43:59
Heywood, I think the fire's so big it feeds on itself.
I know when a moderator says to "drop/leave it alone from now on" should be the last word on a matter , but it is hard to do. What's been said does affect people and it does become personal.
All I can think of right now is how can we resolve this?
Is it better to take this opportunity to talk about it? |
| HeywoodJablome |
Posted - 10/16/2005 : 10:34:19
My apologies Dean. Although kitten's got some good points I'm perfectly free to ignore whatever may draw out a negative response from myself. Don't want to add any more fuel to the fire. |
