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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 03/03/2005 : 12:39:00
In a collective push to get our song db as chock full of information as possible, we're going to experiment with posting a new song every couple days to the forum.
This is where you come in. If you know anything about the song (or are interested in trying to find out through some skilled sleuthing) then the idea is that you post your knowledge (with source if possible).
If it's conjecture, that's great too (just please label it as such), because it'll help get people talking.
El Barto, the Song DB Master, will then take what elements he can from the thread and put them into the db. It should be full of tidbits in no time!
What sort of information are we looking for? Anything that gives insight into the song's meaning, creation, etc for one. As well, interesting nuggets of information.
Examples:
- Descriptions of (possible) song references
- Quotes from FB or other notables on the song
- Definitions to words you think might not be immediately obvious
If you're not sure about something, post and ask! You may jog someone's memory. |
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/29/2005 : 09:10:30
http://frankblack.net/tabs/song.asp?song=smyt-nadine
not on the db
 cats have nine lives/ which makes them ideal for experimentation |
| tobafett |
Posted - 03/13/2005 : 21:26:49
quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten
hmm
http://www.blackenedheart.net/details/382.html
so is this the cover for the US released EP?
Yup, that's it!
oh, and to flesh out a coupla other things:
1. (from the thing's post earlier)
Tracks 2 - 5 were recorded in Regina, Saskatchewan on 4/4/2003 for CBC radio
These 4 tracks were recorded at The State in Regina.
2. Track 1. Produced by Nick Vincent. Nadine was recorded live to two-track "without edit" in los anGeles "with the FB & The C's mobile studio" |
| The Susquatch |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 18:50:21
Good heavy ship
Hang on to your Taco! |
| VoVat |
Posted - 03/06/2005 : 10:25:05
quote:
nope, I'm spent on Nadine, I've googled my eyeballs off.
How can you read the screen, then? Do you have to hold your eyeballs up to it with your hand?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/06/2005 : 06:51:28
posted by the thing, 08/25/2003, http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2654
Hello all,
I received my copy of Nadine on Friday and have had a couple of listens and I must say I really like single. I am also enjoying the live tracks as well. I know this is redundant but here's the tracklisting:
1. Nadine
2. Hermaphroditos
3. Los Angeles
4. Jane The Queen Of Love
5. Gouge Away
Tracks 2 - 5 were recorded in Regina, Saskatchewan on 4/4/2003 for CBC radio. The cover art is solid and there are head shots of each of the gents on the inside cover. Overall it did not leave this reviewer cold and should be fun for the entire family.
the thing
I might be repeating myself a little bit now...
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/06/2005 : 06:45:15
nope, I'm spent on Nadine, I've googled my eyeballs off.
well, my glasses slipped down my nose
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| kathryn |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 19:05:21
There will be no bad-mouthing Canada, my future
home and native land. No bad-mouthing darwin
either, Tre. Now get back to work! Do that voodoo
you do so well.
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 17:37:03
well it's kind of hard to be helpful and not posting
damn you people, damn you....
i'm going to blame canada.. just because..
and darwin, i blame darwin too
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| darwin |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 17:27:24
quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
I'm amazed at all the stuff Tre's managed to dig up,
despite her obsession with Steve McQueen.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
And despite her not being back (according to her). |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 16:51:22
"Gouge Away" have all surfaced in recent set lists, and a version of the latter recorded in April in Regina, Saskatchewan, appears on a new Frank Black & the Catholics EP, "Nadine," licensed this week by spinART exclusively to a number of independent U.S. retailers
http://www.musictap.net/DuanesPunkPitNotes/DuanesPitStopVol1No32DEC1203.html
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 16:40:13
hmm
http://www.blackenedheart.net/details/382.html
so is this the cover for the US released EP?
Track List
01 Nadine 03:04
02 Hermaphroditos (live) 05:27
03 Los Angeles (live) 02:23
04 Jane The Queen of Love (live) 04:31
05 Gouge Away (live) 04:05
and
this for the uk single?
do you even want pictures?
(there's nothing wrong with Steve McQueen)
(apart from being quite dead)
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 16:05:46
Heh, heh, definitely. And what's wrong with Steve McQueen?! :P
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
| kathryn |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 11:27:45
I'm amazed at all the stuff Tre's managed to dig up,
despite her obsession with Steve McQueen.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 11:26:26
Ooh, very insightful Darwin, I likes it...
This has all been great, I think we're going to have a kickass database of stuff when we're through. Thanks for the heads-up on that missing single, Jason.
We'll start on Everything Is New Monday. If you've put something in here, try to dig up a source for it if you can.
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
| darwin |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 10:09:21
quote:
Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
Yes VV, I think Jean is the character of Death in that song. He's talking about their divorce, isn't he?
Or maybe I'm being simple minded...
PS: Sorry, totally off-topic.
The violet, the lily and the pink but those I refused all three
I don't think Jean is the one dressed in black. I haven't heard that kind of malice (comparing her to the Grim Reaper) towards her. Death is just coming to take his marriage away. |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 07:42:38
ok, not relevent but so cute! from the same article:
"The guy who dry-cleans my suits, he didn't understand all the salt stains on the suits. He said, 'your suits have been wet.' I said, 'well I play in a band.' He said, 'oh champagne' - imagining that we were pouring bottles of champagne over our heads every night.
"I thought it was sweet that that was what he thought it was like."
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 07:40:49
Black said that among other things, the standout song from Show Me Your Tears, Nadine, was influenced by Ray Davies of the Kinks.
"I listen to a lot of old stuff rather than new stuff - actually I don't think I listen to any new stuff," Black told BBC World Service's The Music Biz programme.
"The past is where it's at as far as I'm concerned."
BBC website September 2003 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3133412.stm
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| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 03/05/2005 : 01:44:32
Yes VV, I think Jean is the character of Death in that song. He's talking about their divorce, isn't he?
Or maybe I'm being simple minded...
PS: Sorry, totally off-topic.
The violet, the lily and the pink but those I refused all three |
| El Barto |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 21:15:14
Looks good guys. Conjecture and opinion is great, but what ultimately will make it into the DB has to be fact. Please state sources, names, and dates if possible. For examples, check through the song DB.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
| kelladwella |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 17:20:07
quote:
Originally posted by ivandivel
There's an interview in german where he speaks alot about the songwriting-process regarding SMYT. But my german is bad. Very bad. Maybe someone could translate (are there any germans here?, or maybe the dutch members could do it?). Anyway, my poor understanding of the statements about nadine is something like this: i think he is being asked about the personalities he crowds his songs with, and he says something like: "nadine is a character, but the song is about me and my interaction with these nadines (i think it is plural) and their influence on me.
Here's the german quote: Ändert sich denn durch diesen Prozess die Wahrnehmung als solche? Z.B. in Bezug auf die von Frank kreierten Personalities, die seine Songs bevölkern? "Ich weiß nicht", überlegt Frank, "nimm z.B. 'Nadine' - das ist ein Charakter, aber der Song ist eher über mich und meine Interaktion mit dieser Nadine und ihrem Einfluss auf mich. Das habe ich aber schon immer so gemacht."
Link to article: http://www.gaesteliste.de/texte/show.html?_nr=677
ivandivel, your translation is pretty accurate. He is talking about only one Nadine, though.
In that article, asked about the albumtitle, Frank talks about how life confronts you with real pain at times and how that pain was a source of inspiration for him.
"Everything on that album happend at the time I recorded it."
Then comes the quote. My quick attempt in translating it:
But does this process change the perception itself? For example concerning the Frank-created personalities, that inhabit his songs?
“I don`t know”, Frank thinks, “take ´Nadine´ for example – that’s a character, but the song is more about me and my interaction with this Nadine and her influence on me. I´ve always done it like that, though."
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| kathryn |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 16:14:03
Denis, those wine temps sound right but
need to be in Farherheit (sp?) not Celcius.
Seriously.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 15:13:55
Nice digging, guys! Keep it up. We'll move on to Everything Is New on Monday.
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
| floop |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 13:49:07
posting = back
WELCOME BACK!!!!!!
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 13:46:34
not to mention the severe frustration at missing a poster sale because of stupid lectures that was bound to have a great escape poster, and they were all half price so I might have picked up a bullit one as well mumble mumble mumble
link: http://www.cookingvinyl.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000003/frank_black_nadine.jpg
anyway, I love you floop! you're my hero!
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| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 13:32:56
I'm not back I'm very busy and I'm trying to be a helpful member of this little internet society...
...plus three hours of sex determination genes followed by three hours of mammalian cells as homologous recombination vectors followed by matrix metalloproteinases and their role in tumour progression is seriously doing my fucking head in.
So Floopster, what do you know about Nadine then?
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| floop |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 13:28:34
Tre is BACK!!!!!!!
WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!!!!
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 13:25:47
the only other direct frank quote I could fine was the one from the king holds court thread when asked about the lack of general release for the ep...
quote:
Originally posted by frnck blck
Radio was not interested in Nadine.
and as far as speculation about who it's about you all seem fixated with goth girls
reading old posts is interesting!
I'm not doing very well with this though.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 13:10:24
quote:
I always thought the girl on "Subbacultcha", "Is she weird", "Nadine" and "Horrible Day" was Jean.
Girls dressed in black, I guess.
Hmm, "Horrible Day" as well? Is Jean the same as Death, then?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 12:55:26
ach, I'm a slow starter me!
quote:
Originally posted by soundofataris
there's been two different Nadine singles, one in europe and one in america. The US one has the single and then four live tracks, Los Angeles, Gauge Away, Jane Queen of Love, and Hermaphoditos. The UK version has Snake Oil and Ludwigshaften. The only place Don't Clip Your Wings has appeared as a b-side has been the itunes EP, which included DCYW, Preacher's Daughter, A Dab'll Do Ya, and Show Me Your Tears. Some day it'll be on the new FB&C b-side comp, coming out later this year
warm....warmer.....disco!
Frank Black and The Catholics :: Nadine
Released: 13th Oct 2003
Format: Limited edition CD single
Catalogue number: FRY CD 168
Tracklisting:
1. Nadine, 2. Snake Oil, 3. Ludwigshafen
from http://www.cookingvinyl.com/frank_black/discography.php
quote:
Originally posted by Old Neptuna
NADINE - EP/SINGLE - CD5 - SPINART - UNKNOWN - 2003
1. NADINE
2. HERMAPHODITOS (LIVE)
3. LOS ANGELES (LIVE)
4. JANE THE QUEEN OF LOVE (LIVE)
5. GOUGE AWAY (LIVE)
 "Frighten them on the dance floor!"
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| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 11:21:08
I'd say that quotes from reviews are more suited to the ill-fated article db, but those are all great pulls. "Sawdust and strings" = great imagery.
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 10:50:12
don't know how usefull this is but this is what some other people had to say about it...
maybe not usefull for the db as such but might get a few more people chipping in with what they think about it...
“Black gets things off to a rollicking start with "Nadine", a song with as much boom-kaboom femme-fatale low-end shimmy as anything he's ever written. Full of lascivious thoughts about its pale-skinned goth goddesss namesake, "Nadine" never clues you in to whatever sadness the subject holds for Black. That's a hallmark of Show Me Your Tears: Black's opening up, but keeping his cards close to his chest.” – popmatters
“Frank's had his heart broken all right. But instead of bleeding all over you, he's patched it together with sawdust and string and written these thirteen bits of rough magic in memory of Nadine, Lorraine or "misfortune in her stockings," whoever she may be. It's haunted, cinematic stuff, but it's closer to Tarantino than Lynch – there's a cool cynicism leavening the visionary regret and the songs sizzle with careful rhyme and dirty rhythm.” – Counterculture
“you cannot imagine the excellent "Nadine" without the straight-backed interplay of bass, guitar and drums, the band's restraint -- and eventual release -- putting the sex into the cut.” – splendid magazine
“Whether the frustration in Nadine is fuelled by a new affair or past desire is never clear, but the sassy, mod bassline and Black's low, passionate voice conjure up a unbearable tension” – The Guardian
and I love the official quote from the website too, love it
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| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 02:44:55
I always thought the girl on "Subbacultcha", "Is she weird", "Nadine" and "Horrible Day" was Jean.
Girls dressed in black, I guess.
PS: Only my personal opinion, no database value here.
The violet, the lily and the pink but those I refused all three |
| PixieSteve |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 02:36:52
room temperature when wine was first being made was probably a lot lower than it is now. imo, anything colder tastes better anyway, so i quite like chilled red wine. |
| ivandivel |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 01:26:54
There's an interview in german where he speaks alot about the songwriting-process regarding SMYT. But my german is bad. Very bad. Maybe someone could translate (are there any germans here?, or maybe the dutch members could do it?). Anyway, my poor understanding of the statements about nadine is something like this: i think he is being asked about the personalities he crowds his songs with, and he says something like: "nadine is a character, but the song is about me and my interaction with these nadines (i think it is plural) and their influence on me.
Here's the german quote: Ändert sich denn durch diesen Prozess die Wahrnehmung als solche? Z.B. in Bezug auf die von Frank kreierten Personalities, die seine Songs bevölkern? "Ich weiß nicht", überlegt Frank, "nimm z.B. 'Nadine' - das ist ein Charakter, aber der Song ist eher über mich und meine Interaktion mit dieser Nadine und ihrem Einfluss auf mich. Das habe ich aber schon immer so gemacht."
Link to article: http://www.gaesteliste.de/texte/show.html?_nr=677
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| vilainde |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 01:17:59
There are some red wines that are served cold (around 10°C). Some Beaujolais for instance. However Frank's favorite, the Chateauneuf-du-Pape, is best served at room temperature (around 17°C).
(no, I don't know anything about wines, I googled this)
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
