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| olympus mons |
Posted - 02/05/2005 : 05:33:04
As we all know Kurt Cobain allways stated that the Pixies were a major influence on Nirvana's music, but what im interested to know is what Frank thinks, has he ever made any coments about Nirvana/Kurt? Did he think they were any good?
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| Doog |
Posted - 08/16/2005 : 13:06:43
To paraphrase rockandrollconfidential.com "The last thing you (or your butthole) want to see on a hike"
Kurt looked rad as a nerd, he shoulda stuck with it.
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| Carl |
Posted - 08/16/2005 : 09:06:22
"Them's good eats!!" |
| fbc |
Posted - 08/15/2005 : 17:58:48
he's just a snack. it's you they want, Carl. dave can see you. |
| Carl |
Posted - 08/15/2005 : 17:36:40
And they are oblivious to the little man on Kurt's head. |
| fbc |
Posted - 08/15/2005 : 17:17:30
I know at the beginning they didn't want to be perceived as rednecks, but this photo doesn't help them out much. dave and krist look too pleased to see us. like they haven't eaten in weeks. |
| Carl |
Posted - 08/15/2005 : 16:12:25
...Not since Imageshack is working again! ;D |
| fbc |
Posted - 08/15/2005 : 16:09:35
You couldn't resist, could you?
You just had to go and do it.
Is no thread safe? |
| Carl |
Posted - 08/15/2005 : 15:57:20
This is Frank on Kurt.
Boom-boom!! |
| VoVat |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 06:37:58
Yes, and he also hates Kim, the Catholics, and his shitty shirt.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| Carl |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 04:38:06
Frank hated Kurt, and was hugely jealous of Nirvana's success, especially the bags of cash they made ripping off The Pixies. And that's that. :) |
| jediroller |
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 08:18:32
Surely you mean the Pixies didn't sound like anyone else?
I jumped on the Frank Black Bandwagon/'Cause Pixies are so 2004 |
| SoKD |
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 08:16:03
[After ages lurking, here's my first post]
I have to agree with FB; the very first time I watched the video of "smells like teen spirit" I thought: "yeah, it's good, maybe I'll buy their album, or maybe not... whatever..." It did not say something special to me, really.
And if you can find something similar between Pixies' and Nirvana's music (the "quiet-quiet-loud" thing, for instance, and... I cannot find anything else, actually), there's no resemblance at all if one confronts the lyrics, because the two bands had a whole different attitude towards the music, the music business and (if I dare) the world.
IMHO Nirvana are the quintessence of the rock group. And that's not necessarily a good thing, because rock music has A LOT to do with music business: they were the right people in the right place, they were what the teenagers and the college boys wanted to hear (and to be) in the '90s, they, willing or not, reflected "l'esprit du temps", and "a group that reflects anything other than their own isiosyncratic vision is not worth a pinch" (Nick Cave).
So, Nirvana sounded like the Pixies(?); the Pixies sounded like no-one else. That's a major difference...
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| edbanky |
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 00:31:03
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
For more more contemporary stuff, if I listen to loud stuff, it’s probably gonna be more punky, like Minor Threat or even just something like The Clash or something like that
I love that. Frank's idea of contemporary? The Clash. That rules.
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I signed up for the FrankBlack.net forums and all I got was this lousy signature. |
| poo |
Posted - 08/11/2005 : 23:53:04
english wadnt my best class |
| poo |
Posted - 08/11/2005 : 23:52:23
although the media, plus many other people these days tend to generalize grunge as one soind, when clearly enough thats not true. Most of the bands that are great from that era, are completely different and are all talented as fuck....and for the pop reference to nirvana....they have their poppy moments, but thats mainly just nevermind |
| Visiting Sasquatch |
Posted - 04/24/2005 : 10:58:42
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
I never sat down and listened to a Nirvana record, so I can’t really give it the fairest assessment, but I guess it’s a little serious or something. It doesn’t quite have the humor that I gravitate to in a lot of music. It doesn’t have a wink, or at least I miss it. If it’s there, I don’t get it.
I never would have considered Minor Threat humourous...
 I'm like a lost snail in the night.
That whole, "Straight Edge" thing is a joke...lol. ;) |
| floop |
Posted - 04/23/2005 : 16:58:20
Frank has always been coy about revealing who he listens to among contemporary bands. for the longest time he always said that he didn't listen to ANY new stuff.. just 50's music, punk etc... but then little comments slip out here and there and you're like, "wow, i didn't know he was a Morrisey fan".. or, "he likes Elliot Smith?"
i think with Nirvana, during their reign, it was kind of a competitive thing too. .
not to say he secretly likes them or something. but, the fact that they were so popular and overblown probably just turned him off to them. |
| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 04/23/2005 : 16:43:47
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
I never sat down and listened to a Nirvana record, so I can’t really give it the fairest assessment, but I guess it’s a little serious or something. It doesn’t quite have the humor that I gravitate to in a lot of music. It doesn’t have a wink, or at least I miss it. If it’s there, I don’t get it.
I never would have considered Minor Threat humourous...
I'm like a lost snail in the night. |
| IceCream |
Posted - 04/23/2005 : 11:38:20
quote:
Originally posted by dogjones
aww man..yeah, grunge on whole may have been a fad based on its availability now, but it did have some great moments. love battery, archers of loaf...its all just deconstructed melodic punk with a metal edge...i'll take it over all this emo/pop crap these days.
Archers of Loaf are one of the best bands ever. However, I don't like Crooked Fingers. Are they any good? I only heard one album. "Islero" was awesome...not much else though.
Anyway, where's that interview Frank and Bob Mould did where they talked about the Smells Like Teen Spirit video? Jason posted it once.... |
| PearlJamaholic |
Posted - 02/24/2005 : 14:09:32
i noticed that for as sarcastic that kurt was his music never really had that side. and for listening to punk its almost weird that it didnt. most real punk i heard is just loaded with sarcasm. so i can see why frank listens to punk and not nirvana.
if frank has never listened to a nirvana album he should atleast check out in utero. its such a soild album in my opinion. hell ill give frank my nirvana cds if he wants to check em out. it would be my honor, besides francis is gonna end as poor as kurt was when he was a kid if courtney doesnt straighten out. |
| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 08:24:51
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
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Originally posted by VoVat
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I wouldn't exactly say Nirvana was pop. While not in my top five, I would consider Nirvana to be an excellent and challenging band.
I didn't know "pop" and "excellent and challenging" were mutually exclusive. It seems like a lot of people see "pop music" as a derogatory term, but I've never seen it that way.
"Reunion? Shit union!"
The problem is the term "pop" can have two very different meanings. At least that's the way I see it but I see many people don't make this distinction. Some say "pop" and have "popular and unimaginative" in mind, others say "pop" and have "catchy and fun" in mind. When I say pop I usually mean catchy and so I believe pop music can also be great music. Like Frank Black writes excellent pop songs.
For the record, I wasn't attempting to make a derogatory jab at 'pop', or the definition of 'pop'. There is a lot of good 'pop' music out there (and for the record, 'pop'...for popularity...pretty much defines ALL music you hear broadcast on commercial radio)and the term itself suffers a stigma. By stating Nirvana was challenging and excellent in NO WAY MEANS I was comparing them to a band that might be considered 'pop'. "pop' can be just as challenging and excellent. But then again, it's all how you perceive it, I guess.
Nirvana, in my opinion, is not 'pop'.
They are soda...and spritely so.
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
-bRIAN |
| BrendanT |
Posted - 02/21/2005 : 07:40:20
I think that saying you have never met a popular dead icon is a little easier than dealing with follow-up questions. "What was he/she like?" "Were you friends?" and so on and so on. I believe that Frank and Kurt have met a few occasions. If you had the opportunity to meet Frank because you both had backstage access, wouldn't you meet him?
For the love of Pete! I have met the man and who the fuck am I?
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
All of a sudden my water broke!
"There was a man Who made a boat To sail away And it sank.". |
| VoVat |
Posted - 02/20/2005 : 10:21:05
I don't think it's one of Frank's favorites, either. I like it, but then, I'm into the eccentric-but-upbeat kind of music.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| Someone |
Posted - 02/20/2005 : 09:29:57
Frank Black makes decidely better music than Nirvana (although Nirvanva was a great band) but I must agree. Here Comes your man is very very poppy. not one of my favs. |
| Cookie |
Posted - 02/17/2005 : 15:26:06
Ijust got the Nirvana box set--very raw music, that was excessively polished on one of three studio albums.
Keeping in mind that pop is not necessarily a bad word, I think "Here Comes Your Man" and a great many other tunes on Doolittle are much more pop (defined as catchy, not particularly anguished) than anything Nirvana ever did. Also, the "nudge and wink" stuff Frank was talking about is totally pop music. Ironically humorous lyrics and double entendres are pop. Nirvana lyrics are much darker and most of the music full of dissonant intervals (although not the tunes played on the radio). Being strung out and blowing your head off with a shotgun is not pop. |
| rudebody |
Posted - 02/17/2005 : 02:06:46
Here's Kurt on pop:
"By definition pop is extremely catchy, whether you like it or not. There are some pop songs I hate but I can't get them out of my head. Our songs also have the standard pop format: Verse, chorus, verse, chorus, solo, bad solo. All in all, I think we sound like The Knack and the Bay City Rollers being molested by Black Flag and Black Sabbath."
I seem to remember another interview in which he said his aim when writing/recording songs was to get an early Beatles pop sound. |
| dogjones |
Posted - 02/17/2005 : 00:00:20
honestly, when people as me my opinion of TOTY, i usually throw the phrase "one of the best pop-rock albums" somewhere in the description.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 02/16/2005 : 18:36:48
Yeah, that's basically the way I see it, too. If you want to get technical, "pop" is short for "popular," and I'd say Nirvana is popular, while non-Pixies Frank isn't particularly so. But I think "pop" has come to mean "catchy, fun music," and I'd say a lot of Frank's work qualifies in that category.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| ElevatorLady |
Posted - 02/16/2005 : 16:33:20
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat
quote:
I wouldn't exactly say Nirvana was pop. While not in my top five, I would consider Nirvana to be an excellent and challenging band.
I didn't know "pop" and "excellent and challenging" were mutually exclusive. It seems like a lot of people see "pop music" as a derogatory term, but I've never seen it that way.
"Reunion? Shit union!"
The problem is the term "pop" can have two very different meanings. At least that's the way I see it but I see many people don't make this distinction. Some say "pop" and have "popular and unimaginative" in mind, others say "pop" and have "catchy and fun" in mind. When I say pop I usually mean catchy and so I believe pop music can also be great music. Like Frank Black writes excellent pop songs. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 02/16/2005 : 15:54:55
quote:
I wouldn't exactly say Nirvana was pop. While not in my top five, I would consider Nirvana to be an excellent and challenging band.
I didn't know "pop" and "excellent and challenging" were mutually exclusive. It seems like a lot of people see "pop music" as a derogatory term, but I've never seen it that way.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| dogjones |
Posted - 02/15/2005 : 23:04:41
if you want freaky, go chase down a copy of Byrds "Truck Stop Girl" and give that a listen.
heroin does weird things to the voice, eh? heh... |
| SHAZEB ANDLEEB |
Posted - 02/15/2005 : 20:10:18
I never heard Frank and the Pixies in Kurt and Nirvana. Who I heard was the Replacements. Listen to the Replacements and Paul Westerberg and tell me that Kurt and Nirvana were not doing an impersonation of them. I know that Kurt did say he was influenced by the 'Mats, but it goes way beyond that. Heck they got the album title "Nevermind" from a Replacements song.
I worshipped the 'Mats in the 1980s, however I became disillusioned with them after "Pleased to Meet Me." Bob Stinson's death greatly hurt the band. In fact, I turned to the Pixies as my new fave band after the Replacements. Then when the Pixies split, I went to THE REVEREND HORTON HEAT!!!
hermaphroditos is my name
worship me |
| TRANSMARINE |
Posted - 02/15/2005 : 15:19:02
quote:
Originally posted by Elephant
I feel the same way about Nirvana, it's kind of more or less pop. I can't say I don't like it but I wouldn't take the time to listen to one of their records or anything, I CAN stand their music but it's not like I'll ever find myself seeking it out.
I wouldn't exactly say Nirvana was pop. While not in my top five, I would consider Nirvana to be an excellent and challenging band. I think In Utero is an incredible work of art.
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
-bRIAN |
| dogjones |
Posted - 02/15/2005 : 14:53:52
aww man..yeah, grunge on whole may have been a fad based on its availability now, but it did have some great moments. love battery, archers of loaf...its all just deconstructed melodic punk with a metal edge...i'll take it over all this emo/pop crap these days. |
| Elephant |
Posted - 02/12/2005 : 16:52:25
I feel the same way about Nirvana, it's kind of more or less pop. I can't say I don't like it but I wouldn't take the time to listen to one of their records or anything, I CAN stand their music but it's not like I'll ever find myself seeking it out. |
