| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| two reelers |
Posted - 12/06/2004 : 02:20:01
don't you have the impression that Frank's 4th solo album (FB&TC) is often overlooked ? almost everbody loves the yellow album & TOTY, COR is often in discussion, as is pistolero. dog in the sand is hymnically praised, and everthing that follows also keeps peoples minds occupied. only FB&TC doesn't get as much attention (no matter, if postive or negative).
i think it's his first "serious" album - more personal-related lyrics, and less wacky themes. also, its straight-forward production points in that direction. there is a lot of negative energy in it, i think (666, solid gold, suffering, all my ghosts, i need peace). if i would be looking for a FB-album which expresses fear & dissappointment, i would chose this. quotes of the man or some insight knowledge about this period would be interesting.
again, the individual songs are great. solid gold, suffering and i need peace are probably my fav's. i don't like "the man who was too loud" as much - but i think most people around here do.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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| BLT |
Posted - 01/20/2005 : 15:11:09
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat
Even if he WAS the St. Francis Dam Disaster Man...
We in L.A. wouldn't want him any other way. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 01/20/2005 : 14:49:01
Olé for Mulholland!
Even if he WAS the St. Francis Dam Disaster Man...
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| Dallas |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 09:16:47
I still say when the CD turns to Solid Gold, Stake & Sabre and Sufferin that there isnt a harder rocking 3 songs on any FBATC's disc. The drums on those 3 songs are amazing as is the guitarwork. I almost never listen to 1 of those songs unless I know I have time for all 3, they just go well together. |
| offerw |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 08:38:53
Triakel should go shopping in Phalaborwa at dusk.
wilhelm |
| BLT |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 08:37:16
quote:
Originally posted by floop
get him!
May the spectre of Bill Mulholland haunt his ass.
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| floop |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 08:22:27
quote:
Originally posted by Triakel
Of the entire catalog, I consider Bossanova, Teenager, Pistolero, Black Letter and Devil's Workshop as having the most filler. I consider none of the albums to be duds, however. Just not as solid, song after song, as the others.
get him!
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| offerw |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 08:19:35
Sometimes Back To Rome is my favorite FB song. Whenever I need to hear that song I put on the brown album and I don't have to skip any of what follows. I Gotta Move and Six-Sixty-Six are huge favorites as well. The bonus cd which came with the cd has some pretty good tracks too.
TOTY certainly has no filler. Who said that? Who?
wilhelm |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 08:08:57
You guys are worse than I am ... and so right.
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| two reelers |
Posted - 01/19/2005 : 00:40:15
quote:
Originally posted by floop
i don't think TOTY has any filler
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee!
it has three fillers: when i change LP side 1 to 2, 2 to 3 and 3 to 4.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
| Skatealex1 |
Posted - 01/18/2005 : 18:02:30
except when the cd ends in toty
The Truth Is Out There |
| kathryn |
Posted - 01/18/2005 : 17:31:44
quote:
Originally posted by floop
i don't think TOTY has any filler
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee!
Indeed, it does not.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Frank |
| floop |
Posted - 01/18/2005 : 13:12:03
i don't think TOTY has any filler
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| BLT |
Posted - 01/18/2005 : 12:54:40
Amen. Yours is the post of the week, Triakel. Post of the week.
PS-"Suffering" is still my current brown album fave. |
| Triakel |
Posted - 01/18/2005 : 12:41:42
I downloaded the Ashlee Simpson clip from the Orange Bowl. She doesn't do any worse than most pop stars do at halftime. But there is something comical about it. She is trying *so hard* to be Siouxie Sioux and her band is trying *so hard* to look like Green Day (while sounding like Incubus). So, only a 14 year-old could be convinced by the performance (I know, that's the target). Avril is positively "street" compared to this.
The topper, though, is a 10-foot-tall "anarchy" symbol painted on a trampoline (or something) off stage left. This isn't music -- it's a 10th-grade Homecoming skit.
The booing is inaudible until the very end. But it's almost unanimous. I couldn't hear any cheering. Also, the girl is dog ugly. I know that shouldn't be important, but it is, when the entire product that is being marketed here is image and look.
PJ Harvey isn't conventionally pretty, but she's real, smart and talented. And that makes her many times more attractive than the "pretty girls" like Britney. But Ashlee is just a doggie girl a generation of kids is being told that they are supposed to find attractive. I'm doubly, even triply insulted!
It's like high school, when everyone is supposed to worship the popular girls' often dumber and uglier younger sisters out of matrilineage -- when all the smart(though not necessarily most popular) boys knew the truly hot girls hung out in the music room and the library.
I feel bad for Ashlee Simpson the person, but not for the message the boos sent to her employer/controller/marketers.
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| Triakel |
Posted - 01/18/2005 : 12:16:26
I'm back on FB&C after a hiatus. This album holds up well, and is certainly better than some critics' comments. All Music Guide gives it 2.5 out of 5 stars, which I think is a bit low.
Of the entire catalog, I consider Bossanova, Teenager, Pistolero, Black Letter and Devil's Workshop as having the most filler. I consider none of the albums to be duds, however. Just not as solid, song after song, as the others.
Would I rather wait three or four years between albums so they could all be "perfect"? NO. That is a boring way to make records.
I don't understand the revulsion some have regarding Pistolero. Songs like "I Love Your Brain" and "I Want Rock N' Roll" aren't as indelible and visceral (or perhaps intelligent) as "Gouge Away" or "Thallasocracy," but they get my groove on. The increasing hint of country influences was cool. I hadn't heard many good fusions of country and punk previous to that -- early Uncle Tupelo at times, and that's about it.
By the way, anyone here like Hank III? I like his attitude and live sets. Country music by a man whose other band is called "Assjack." A *good* "Gin & Juice" cover? Can't beat that ...
Anyway, the brown album epitomizes one of the things I like about Frank's music -- the smart, unusual lyric. "I'm sorry 'bout the Visigoths" is a great, funny line. I miss that attitude in some of his more recent material. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 01/08/2005 : 19:48:58
quote:
Sometimes I totally detest the marketing machine of corporate labels, then other times, it's the puppet itself that riles me more. How can someone be so fake and yet be so optimistic.
I sometimes have to wonder whether these people are really so naive as to how they're industry puppets, or there are clauses in their contracts that force them to act that way. Probably a combination of both.
EDIT: Oh, and back on topic, I used to not like "King And Queen Of Siam" that much, but, about a month ago, when it showed up on a random playlist, I realized how great a song it really is. Like a man from Texas, Frank sure can play.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| OldManInaCoffeeCan |
Posted - 01/08/2005 : 15:33:53
I love the Green Acres intro to All My Ghosts.
This album has some real tear-jerkers in it. I especially enjoy the sadness of Dog Gone, I Need Peace, and Solid Gold, with the latter two being turned up to 11.
And, Suffering, really reminds me of a good Who song, a lot of Pete Townsend songwriting and Roger Daultery vocals.
Really great stuff. |
| stephensolo |
Posted - 01/08/2005 : 07:49:58
i think fb&tc's is frank's best sounding solo record. everything is crisp. i'd actually like to see frank go back to recording live to 2 track in a real studio. |
| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 01/07/2005 : 15:48:36
that's quite a story. nice memory too for you both.
and i gotta give my nod to your choice of tune too. Really love Franks singing on this one, and his lyrics.....man, he's so intelligent.
he has stories and knowledge about so much stuff i feel dumb. |
| mosleyk |
Posted - 01/07/2005 : 15:35:54
As cheesey as this sounds I must say that king & queem of siam has got to be my favorite song on the album, but mainly because my husband and I played it as we drove off from our wedding reception. I always remember that moment whenever I heard that sound to this day. |
| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 01/07/2005 : 12:07:56
quote:
Originally posted by BLT
Wimpy corporate pop played by people who look like they're dressed as punk rockers for Halloween. Her singing was so bad she was booed. Behind the stage was an anarchy "A".
For some reason I half expected this.
Sometimes I totally detest the marketing machine of corporate labels, then other times, it's the puppet itself that riles me more. How can someone be so fake and yet be so optimistic. You gotta love popular music. Makes me laugh.
At the mo, we got Minnie Driver (the actress. you know her?) doing the chat show circuit singing her songs she's written. Think she's decided it's time to be taken seriously as a musician. And it is serious. Real, I mean.
She plays and sorta strums an acoustic at the same time. It's funny to watch wannabes like this looking at their guitar with such concentration when all they're strumming is an open G. Fools.
Back to thread, I've always love Suffering and often wondered the reference to the plastic car. Is it Frank referring to it being new, plastic, no character? Not sure. I've yet to hear the acoustic version though. That would be a treat.
What I love best about this track is, Man Who Was Too Loud proceeds.
This song is on the very very short list of my all time Best Frank songs ever.
Not the favourites list, the Best Ever list.
One reason is the key change. |
| floop |
Posted - 01/07/2005 : 08:46:48
Back To Rome is my favorite at the moment. i've been turning that one up to 11 lately
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
| BLT |
Posted - 01/06/2005 : 08:41:15
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
So what did the little fuck-up do this time?
Wimpy corporate pop played by people who look like they're dressed as punk rockers for Halloween. Her singing was so bad she was booed. Behind the stage was an anarchy "A". Somehow I don't think irony was intended.
But back to the gold album..."Suffering" is my latest fave from the album. I love the bridge. I crack up when FB says he slept all night in a plastic car and got in an accident. |
| Broken Face |
Posted - 01/06/2005 : 06:22:10
the brown album might be my 3rd or 4th favorite FB album of all time. the sequence, despite being alphabetical, works SO well - i think its his best sequence record, and the energy just doesn't let up. plus lyle sounds fantastic.
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 01/06/2005 : 03:02:46
So what did the little fuck-up do this time?
She's getting a tough lesson on how not to be a rock star.
Did I say rock?
The Simpsons. Always cracks me up. |
| Someone |
Posted - 01/05/2005 : 22:59:13
honestly i felt bad for her.
all my ghosts is one of his best songs ever. |
| BLT |
Posted - 01/05/2005 : 10:08:04
Who can focus on Jessica when that Ashlee is such a car wreck? The halftime show at the Orange Bowl last night was non-stop comedy. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 01/05/2005 : 07:51:24
Maybe the Jessica Simpson CD is brown because it's a piece of crap?
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 12/28/2004 : 04:34:39
quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
I thought it was going to be about my Jessica Simpson CD, which became brown for some reason.
over-play?
After 2000 plays plus, a cd can become warn and brown. |
| vilainde |
Posted - 12/28/2004 : 00:52:32
I thought it was going to be about my Jessica Simpson CD, which became brown for some reason.
(I don't call FB&TC the "brown album". I call it FB&TC)
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
| BLT |
Posted - 12/27/2004 : 14:39:14
I thought this was going to be about my copy of The Beatles' "white album," which was accidentally dropped in a mud puddle. |
| Newo |
Posted - 12/27/2004 : 13:57:46
I thought this was gonna be about the Primus Brown Album too.
--
Maze rats dreamed of mazes, according to the latest studies. Maze rat scientists dreamed of rats. I was dreaming of cheese. |
| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 12/27/2004 : 10:44:12
quote:
Originally posted by stymie
It's not called the brown album. Please stop calling it that please. Primus has a brown album! The album is " fRANK bLACK aND tHE cATHOLICS" sIPMLE ENOUGH!
True.
But since the dawn of time, well, fb.net forum, this album seems to have been labelled this by the fans, to seperate it from any other. Just like FB is the orange one (or is it?)
fRANK bLACK aND tHE cATHOLICS" sIPMLE ENOUGH! is just too much to type |
| stymie |
Posted - 12/27/2004 : 10:12:33
It's not called the brown album. Please stop calling it that please. Primus has a brown album! The album is " fRANK bLACK aND tHE cATHOLICS" sIPMLE ENOUGH! |
| VoVat |
Posted - 12/09/2004 : 16:30:35
I guess I kind of agree with Dean, in that I like the album, but I'm not often drawn to it. Perhaps the fact that I downloaded it (legally) instead of buying the CD has something to do with that. I guess it's a pretty average Frank album. (Well, "average" in that it's in between good and bad. If I were to do a bell curve or whatever, it would be pretty low, just because most of the other albums are so great.) I think it's probably a stronger overall album than Pistolero, but Pistolero has more individual stand-out tracks. It also has more songs I don't care so much for, though.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
